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Title: Reaction mechanism proposal
Post by: azncuzin202 on November 30, 2012, 10:04:07 AM
Can someone help me propose a mechanism for this reaction? I can't seem to figure out how to form a third benzene group? Do i have to break a bond to make the benzene? (http://)
Title: Re: Reaction mechanism proposal
Post by: orgopete on November 30, 2012, 10:24:58 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heck_reaction
Title: Re: Reaction mechanism proposal
Post by: azncuzin202 on November 30, 2012, 11:06:56 AM
Yeah I got that far but how do you form the benzene ring?
Title: Re: Reaction mechanism proposal
Post by: discodermolide on November 30, 2012, 11:19:24 AM
With great difficulty I would imagine, you have a 5 valent carbon in your structure!
Title: Re: Reaction mechanism proposal
Post by: azncuzin202 on November 30, 2012, 11:46:02 AM
Does the benzene solvent help?
Title: Re: Reaction mechanism proposal
Post by: discodermolide on November 30, 2012, 11:54:17 AM
With great difficulty I would imagine, you have a 5 valent carbon in your structure!


You still have a 5 valent carbon in your structure.
Benzene will not help the 5 valent carbon.
Please draw the product you want, without a 5 valent carbon.
Title: Re: Reaction mechanism proposal
Post by: azncuzin202 on November 30, 2012, 11:55:29 AM
The product is in the picture?
Title: Re: Reaction mechanism proposal
Post by: discodermolide on November 30, 2012, 11:57:37 AM
The product has a carbon atom linked to 5 other carbon atoms. The last time I looked carbon could only bond to 4 other atoms!
So what is the correct structure of your product?
Title: Re: Reaction mechanism proposal
Post by: orgopete on November 30, 2012, 11:58:28 AM
Yeah I got that far but how do you form the benzene ring?
Form a benzene ring? No benzene rings are being formed.

Can you follow the Heck to the formation of stilbene? That seems pretty straight forward in the wikipedia mechanism.

@Disco, I presume he simply drew the double bond in the wrong direction. I think this is still a Heck, but double.
Title: Re: Reaction mechanism proposal
Post by: azncuzin202 on November 30, 2012, 12:03:10 PM
Ok lets change that double bond up so that the carbon-carbon bond above is a double instead. Does that change things? I'm of course referring to the product.
Title: Re: Reaction mechanism proposal
Post by: azncuzin202 on November 30, 2012, 12:05:22 PM

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Form?



@Disco, I presume he simply drew the double bond in the wrong direction. I think this is still a Heck, but double.
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Yeah sorry about the wrong position of the double bond. I don't believe this happens in one step though?
Title: Re: Reaction mechanism proposal
Post by: discodermolide on November 30, 2012, 12:13:10 PM
What happens if you have an excess of bromobenzene?.
Look at the link Orgopete provided you with after intensive searching of the internet and giving Prof. Google a headache.