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Organic Chemistry Forum / Funny Headache Heterocycle mecanism Help :(
« Last post by Mambruw on April 20, 2024, 10:51:27 PM »
Guys have you a ever tried to do some mechanism and you failed, and feel like s#*$. Right because i feel like that right now, this problem stole me several hours of my life

No ball to do it, help me
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Inorganic Chemistry Forum / Re: Fate of dissociated Hydrogen gas on Pd Surface
« Last post by billnotgatez on April 20, 2024, 12:24:46 PM »
we only post once on this forum per forum rules.
we deleted the other cross post so everyone can answer here
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Organic Chemistry Forum / Re: Glycolaldehyde? 
« Last post by willferral222 on April 20, 2024, 12:17:12 PM »
Could you tell what Oxidation involves? Is it as simple as mixing the ethylene glycol using hydrogen peroxide [ which I assume would be the oxidizer ] and adding some ferrous sulfate or does it involve something else? 
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Inorganic Chemistry Forum / Fate of dissociated Hydrogen gas on Pd Surface
« Last post by Dancing team on April 20, 2024, 11:49:28 AM »

I'm reading a lot about hydrogenation reactions and a lot of papers describe homolytic dissociation of hydrogen into two neutral radicals from interaction with Pd. That's fine, but some papers then say the hydrogen atom sits in octahedral sites on the palladium surface (and can also become sub-surface hydrides) while other papers say the dissociated hydrogen atom becomes a Pd-H hydride. Which is it? Or are they one and the same?

Diagrams sometimes show a hydrogen atom sitting in-between Pd atoms (in the lattice) while others show the hydrogen atoms sticking up out of the surface as a Pd-H. I cant find an answer as to what the differences are and what causes the different types of hydrogen interactions. Any help appreciated.
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I see  for Graphite https://goldbook.iupac.org/terms/view/G02684   "The weak bonds between the layers are metallic with a strength comparable to van der Waals bonding only."

like you said

IUPAC has a definition you can Google as has Wikipedia.


Since you mention IUPAC, as for IUPAC, if you see

https://goldbook.iupac.org/terms/view/M03667  macromolecule (polymer molecule)  "A molecule of high relative molecular mass, the structure of which essentially comprises the multiple repetition of units derived, actually or conceptually, from molecules of low relative molecular mass."

Diamond is clearly a macromolecule but it doesn't really meet that IUPAC definition, does it? (Since Diamond isn't derived from molecules, it's derived from atoms).

Also it does say "A molecule of..".   Seems a bit funny to call graphite a molecule when it's kind of disconnected or some parts are only connected via intermolecular forces!

Thanks
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IUPAC has a definition you can Google as has Wikipedia.
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ok thanks, so how do you define macromolecule?
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I am not aware of any authors who refer to graphite as not having a giant covalent structure (or similar terminology) and several authors do explicitly refer to both graphite and graphene as being examples of macromolecules (along with other commonly used examples of large molecular structures eg. proteins and synthetic polymers.
As stated in my previous post I think understanding what the effects and properties are which derive from or are related to their structure is more important than what terminology you choose to use; however generally speaking it's usually wise to follow commonly accepted terminology - especially when following a prescribed course of study with formal test and exams.
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Organic Chemistry Forum / Re: Glycolaldehyde? 
« Last post by billnotgatez on April 19, 2024, 11:42:24 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycolaldehyde#Synthesis

does this help

or maybe GOOGLE

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Glycolaldehyde synthesis
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The bonding in the layers of graphene are sp2 hybridised and it forms a giant covalent lattice. The bonds between the layers are considered metallic in character nd are weaker. IUPAC for example indicates their strength comparable to intermolecular forces. Nevertheless many authorities describe the structure of graphite as a giant covalent lattice. Understanding what’s going on is probably more important than what you choose to call it but in the UK the main exam boards, including Oxford, Cambridge and RSA expect to see graphite described as a giant covalent lattice even though that does not necessarily tell the whole story. So for students taking their exams it’s as well to be aware of their expectations. I would say you are not wrong in some of your thinking but be aware of the way various interpretations of the structure are described.

Thanks..

Do you know of any exam boards (not necessarily uk), or sources that consider Graphite to be not giant covalent (due to the non-covalent bonds between its graphene layers)?

I see you are very familiar with UK exam boards,  and ok they consider graphite to be giant covalent, would they consider Graphite to be a macromolecule?
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