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Neutralisation of Na2CO3
« on: May 18, 2007, 09:25:18 PM »
Hey guys..
I was revising using a past paper.
and i found a question that I had a problem with. my university does not give answers with past papers so i don't have a clue whether i'm doing it correctly

"C(i): Write a balanced chemical equation, and a balanced ionic equation, for the neutralisation reaction between sodium carbonate and hydrochloric acid."

As far as I have deduced I have found 2 possible solutions:
1. Na2CO3 + 2HCl --> H2 + 2NaCl + CO2 + 1/2O2

or 2. Na2CO3 + 2HCl --> H2CO3 + 2NaCl

if someone could give me the real answer or check my answers that would be great.
Thanks very much. Zain

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Re: Neutralisation of Na2CO3
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2007, 04:51:52 AM »
Both equations are wrong.

Here's a hint: neutralisation of carbonates produces carbon dioxide and water.
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Re: Neutralisation of Na2CO3
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2007, 08:24:59 AM »
Both equations are wrong.

Here's a hint: neutralisation of carbonates produces carbon dioxide and water.
oh wow. i love how u handled that... rather than telling me the answer!...
i think i have it now...

Na2CO3 + 2HCl --> CO2 + H2O + 2NaCl
can anyone confirm that?
the thing is... we questions on Carbonates once in a blue moon... and we've never been taught them.
its just silly really.
but many thanks!

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Re: Neutralisation of Na2CO3
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2007, 11:22:53 AM »
Na2CO3 + 2HCl --> CO2 + H2O + 2NaCl

OK, although reality is more complicated - it is ionic equilibrium with several steps.
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Re: Neutralisation of Na2CO3
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2007, 12:10:08 PM »
Na2CO3 + 2HCl --> CO2 + H2O + 2NaCl

OK, although reality is more complicated - it is ionic equilibrium with several steps.

oh yes i have to do an ionic as well.
although this is easy

2Na+  + CO3- + 2H+ + 2Cl- ----> CO2 + H2O + 2Na+ + Cl-

so therefore.. CO3- + 2H+ --> CO2 + H2O

is this correct?

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Re: Neutralisation of Na2CO3
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2007, 03:18:35 PM »
Both are correct.  The process is somewhat more complicated (as mentioned by Borek) because it involves the following equilibria:

CO32- + H+ <--> HCO3-

HCO3- + H+ <--> H2CO3

H2CO3 <--> H2O + CO2

Since CO2 is a gas, it will escape, driving the equilibrium toward the production of CO2 and H2 in the presence of excess acid.  However, when acid is the limiting reagent, you will need to consider the production of bicarbonate and carbonic acid in addition to CO2

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Re: Neutralisation of Na2CO3
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2007, 11:31:03 PM »
Correction:

Since CO2 is a gas, it will escape, driving the equilibrium toward the production of CO2 and H2O in the presence of excess acid.

Also take in account take HCl is a strong acid.
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