April 25, 2024, 12:17:33 PM
Forum Rules: Read This Before Posting


Topic: A isolation challenge question  (Read 9953 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline koolguysj

  • Very New Member
  • *
  • Posts: 2
  • Mole Snacks: +0/-0
A isolation challenge question
« on: October 21, 2007, 01:16:44 PM »
A mixture contains Benzoic acid, Benzil, and 1,4-dibromobenzene. How do you isolate benzil and 1,4-dibromobenzene by using the following reagents:

1M NaOH
1M HCl
1M NaHCO3
NaCl aq
Diethyl ether
ethanol
methanol
isopropyl alcohol
acetone
hexane
toluene
methylene chloride
granular anhydrous sodium sulfate

Benzoic acid is easily isolated by acid-base reaction. However, the other two are more challenging to seperate. Now I have Benzil and 1,4-dibromobenzene in a test tube. Please help me to isolate them. Thanks

Offline Donphil07

  • Regular Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 22
  • Mole Snacks: +0/-3
Re: A isolation challenge question
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2007, 10:40:38 PM »
What is benzil? it is not exactly bromobenzil or...?please give me full name

Offline agrobert

  • Chemist
  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 629
  • Mole Snacks: +69/-17
  • Gender: Male
  • diels alder
Re: A isolation challenge question
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2007, 10:50:33 PM »
benzil <--> 1,2-diphenylethanedione
In the realm of scientific observation, luck is only granted to those who are prepared. -Louis Pasteur

Offline macman104

  • Retired Staff
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1644
  • Mole Snacks: +168/-26
  • Gender: Male
Re: A isolation challenge question
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2007, 11:49:58 PM »
Is it possible to push the benzil to a hydrate form and increase it's solubility in some more polar solvent?  Not really sure, but it's a thought that came to mind.

You might also try some sort of recrystallization, not sure off the top of my head what solvents to try, but you might consider that method.

Offline agrobert

  • Chemist
  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 629
  • Mole Snacks: +69/-17
  • Gender: Male
  • diels alder
Re: A isolation challenge question
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2007, 12:05:04 AM »
Yes maybe dissolve 1,4-dibromobenzene and benzil in methylene chloride and wash with sodium hydroxide.  I believe that benzil exists as benzoin in equilibrium, the enolate formed should be soluble in basic aqueous conditions.
In the realm of scientific observation, luck is only granted to those who are prepared. -Louis Pasteur

Offline macman104

  • Retired Staff
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1644
  • Mole Snacks: +168/-26
  • Gender: Male
Re: A isolation challenge question
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2007, 12:08:27 AM »
Yes maybe dissolve 1,4-dibromobenzene and benzil in methylene chloride and wash with sodium hydroxide.  I believe that benzil exists as benzoin in equilibrium, the enolate formed should be soluble in basic aqueous conditions.
Thank you for flushing out my suggestion.  I wasn't exactly sure how to go about forcing the formation of the -OH.  I thought perhaps the 1M HCl would do it.  There is acid-catalyzed enolate formation, right?  or am I mistkaen?

Offline agrobert

  • Chemist
  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 629
  • Mole Snacks: +69/-17
  • Gender: Male
  • diels alder
Re: A isolation challenge question
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2007, 04:12:22 PM »
I think it can be acid or base catalyzed.  Haven't tried it.  I have done some NMR with benzil and realized there exists an equilibrium between the keto-enol tautomer.
In the realm of scientific observation, luck is only granted to those who are prepared. -Louis Pasteur

Sponsored Links