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MO-diagram for polyatomic molecules
« on: April 23, 2015, 07:46:53 AM »
Hello!

I have a question regarding polyatomic MO-diagrams like NH3, SF6, CH4 and so on.. what is a bit unclear for me is the filling in of electrons. At the examples i've seen they only take one electron from each of the polyatomic orbitals, i.e 3 electrons from H3, 6 from F6 and 4 from H4. That is perfectly normal for the hydrogen given that it only has 1 valence electron.. but for F6 I would assume that it'd be 6*7 =42 valence electrons. Could anyone give me a heads up?


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Re: MO-diagram for polyatomic molecules
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2015, 08:24:04 AM »
You have to write down the electronically structure of fluorine.

It is [He] 2 s2 2 p5

You can see from the occupation of the p-orbitals only one is left what has space to get an electron to form flouride.


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Re: MO-diagram for polyatomic molecules
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2015, 08:30:24 AM »
Ok, thanks. But how do you know that we "want" to form fluoride?

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Re: MO-diagram for polyatomic molecules
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2015, 08:34:21 AM »
I don't understand your question. Fluorine like to get the 8 electrons on the outer shell, so it will grab a electron from other elements to get it fulfilled. And the result is a fluoride.

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Re: MO-diagram for polyatomic molecules
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2015, 08:50:24 AM »
Ok, i'm not sure if I understand it.. ??? It's a different method compared to diatomic molecules? Let's say CO for example - there you can just count all the valence electrons(10 combined).

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Re: MO-diagram for polyatomic molecules
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2015, 01:21:07 AM »
The molecule of SF6 has 48 valence electrons. Instead of making full MO diagram for all valence electrons, we can construct a partial MO diagram. For six fluorine atoms, we can only consider those p-orbitals that are pointed directly to the sulfur atom (2pz). These orbitals are called radial orbitals. To form six bonds, you consider 6 valence electrons of the sulfur and one electron from each fluorine atom that occupies 2pz orbital. So we have total of 12 electrons participating in the formation of S-F bonds. The other (paired) fluorine electrons in 2px and 2py orbitals are not pointed directly to the S atom and are not considered in the partial MO diagram approach. They do not contribute significantly to the formation of the six S-F bonds.

If you want to construct full MO diagram as for diatomic molecules, then yes, you need to use all 7 valence electrons from each fluorine, derive the reducible representations for Г2s, Г2px, Г2py, Г2pz, find their symmetries, etc. etc. Generally, this if very difficult and not really necessary.

This is how I understand it but I would like someone else to comment on this. Please also review Section 5.7 "Molecular orbital theory: learning how to use the theory objectively" in Housecroft/Sharpe Inorganic Chemistry textbook, you could find some answers there.

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Re: MO-diagram for polyatomic molecules
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2015, 05:43:21 AM »
Thanks alot!!  :) that cleared things up quite a bit. I'm using the book Inorganic Chemistry by Shriver & Atkins and I found it pretty vague on that subject. But, what about Sulfurs 2px and 2py orbitals?

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Re: MO-diagram for polyatomic molecules
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2015, 06:22:03 PM »
In the octahedral point group the sulfur's 3s orbital possesses A1g symmetry and the three 3p orbitals (x, y and z) is a degenerate set of T1u symmetry.

The ligand group orbitals (LGO) constructed from 2pz orbitals of fluorines have A1g, Eg and T1u symmetries. So, there are six ligand group orbitals.

Ok, 3s orbital of sulfur (a1g) interacts with a1g LGO making one bonding and one antibonding orbital.

Three 3p orbitals of sulfur (t1u) interact with three t1u ligand group orbitals.
"t" means triply degenerate (3 orbitals, same energy). This produces three bonding and three antibonding orbitals.

The LGO with Eg symmetry do not match the symmetry of the AO of the sulfur atom, so they form the non-bonding MOs.

So, now we have the following MO: one a1g, three t1u, two eg, three t1u* and one a1g*

Now, count the electrons: 6 valence electrons from S and one 2pz electron from each F = 12 total electrons. They will occupy  a1g, t1u and eg molecular orbitals.

You can consider the unused fluorine's 2s, 2p(x) and 2p(y) as lone pairs (non-bonding). 2s orbital is just too far in energy from the sulfur AOs. And 2p(x) and 2p(y) they either do not match the symmetry of sulfur AOs or, for t(1u) set, their overlap with the sulfur AO is inefficient (due to their positions).
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