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Heat, Pressure and Delta E
« on: May 04, 2005, 01:53:46 PM »
I have a problem on a chem final review question

A gas releases 65.4 j into the surroundings and is compressed by 0.335L against a Presure of 0.965 atm. Find Delta E

I was thinking to use

DE= q-pDv

   = -65.4-0.965(-0.335)
   = -64.876
This is not one of the choices in the multiple choice?

The given answer is -32.4 J?

Half of my answer, what did I do wrong?

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Re:Heat, Pressure and Delta E
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2005, 03:31:48 PM »
The units are inconsistent. Joules vs liter-atm.
« Last Edit: May 04, 2005, 03:32:16 PM by Demotivator »

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Re:Heat, Pressure and Delta E
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2005, 03:29:21 PM »
this sounds like a standard thermodynamics equation.

assuming this is a close system,

dU = Q + W
Q = -65.4J (heat given out to surroundings)
W = p.dV

although you are right to use p.dV = 0.965(0.335), the answer you get is not in Joules. In order to get joules, you must convert p to Pascal and dV to m3
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Re:Heat, Pressure and Delta E
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2005, 04:27:37 PM »
I have a problem on a chem final review question

A gas releases 65.4 j into the surroundings and is compressed by 0.335L against a Presure of 0.965 atm. Find Delta E

I was thinking to use

DE= q-pDv

   = -65.4-0.965(-0.335)
   = -64.876
This is not one of the choices in the multiple choice?

The given answer is -32.4 J?

Half of my answer, what did I do wrong?

it's an open system,

I think that one of the key factors here is that the work is not simply PdeltaV. This applies when a gas expands against a constant pressure atmosphere.  However, you're compressing the gas, meaning that the pressure will be different at each point of the compression.

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Re:Heat, Pressure and Delta E
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2005, 05:19:53 PM »
Another possibility is that part of the heat lost to the surroudings, is actually used to do work upon the gas.  Just trying to offer some suggestions here.

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Re:Heat, Pressure and Delta E
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2005, 06:06:00 PM »
dU = Q + W
Q = -65.4J (heat given out to surroundings)
W = p.dV

i made a mistake. W = - p.dV (i omitted the minus sign previously)
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