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Offline monkeyfeet228

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How do I draw this/is this even possible?
« on: February 19, 2010, 12:59:06 AM »
So my Ochem prof gave me (3R,4E)-3-ethyl-4-iodo-2-methyl-4-heptene and I think he's screwing with me because wouldn't a double bond at the 4th carbon be impossible given that it's on a 7 carbon chain? Wouldn't it just become 3? I tried drawing this and this is the closest I can get.

And yes I understand that the double bond placement throws off the entire numbering but it does work if you number from the other (incorrect) side...I think.

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Re: How do I draw this/is this even possible?
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2010, 01:38:23 AM »
Sorry, that last picture doesn't have the iodine but it still doesn't really change the nature of the question :p

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Re: How do I draw this/is this even possible?
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2010, 08:53:19 AM »
I believe you are correct. An alkene has the highest priority, therefore it should have the lowest locant, 3. The locants for iodo and methyl must change as well. You need to review the orientation for E and Z-double bonds.
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Re: How do I draw this/is this even possible?
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2010, 01:37:27 PM »
I asked a friend and they said it can work because the double bond isn't prioritized in the numbering...is that true?

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Re: How do I draw this/is this even possible?
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2010, 06:55:43 PM »
Don't take my word for it, but I don't think that the double bond is always prioritized, with the reason being that you should try to get the lowest possible combination of numbers for a given configuration. Or something like that, it's been a long, long time since I last indulged myself in this matter.

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Re: How do I draw this/is this even possible?
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2010, 08:01:01 PM »
The highest priority functional group always gets the lowest number possible.

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Re: How do I draw this/is this even possible?
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2010, 10:37:29 PM »
Wouldn't the alkene be that in this case or does it still work like an alkane where I number the subs the lowest I can?

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Re: How do I draw this/is this even possible?
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2010, 11:02:06 PM »
The alkene is the highest priority.  Teachers make mistakes too.

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Re: How do I draw this/is this even possible?
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2010, 05:41:38 AM »
Then is the name of the drawn structure (3Z,5R)-5-ethyl-4-iodo-6-methylhept-3-ene?

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Re: How do I draw this/is this even possible?
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2010, 09:01:04 AM »
Then is the name of the drawn structure (3Z,5R)-5-ethyl-4-iodo-6-methylhept-3-ene?
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