April 25, 2024, 01:52:52 AM
Forum Rules: Read This Before Posting


Topic: another chemical shift question  (Read 5721 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline rleung

  • Full Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 186
  • Mole Snacks: +5/-5
  • I'm a mole!
another chemical shift question
« on: August 05, 2005, 11:12:05 AM »
Hi,

I am confused as to why proton b has a chemical shift of 6.7, while proton c has a chemical shift of 7.5.  I would think that proton b would have a greater chemical shift since it is geminal to the C=O bond.  Thanks so much.

Ryan

Offline alphahydroxy

  • Full Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 194
  • Mole Snacks: +7/-6
  • I'm a lumberjack, and I'm OK !
Re:another chemical shift question
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2005, 12:16:07 PM »
I may be wrong with this - it is friday after all....

You probably want to think about the resonance forms of the a-b unsaturated ketone and consider whereabouts the electron density lies.

You should also bw aware of the fact that proton c is benzylic as well as bound to an sp2 carbon...

sorry for the fuzzy thinking...

ArtemKulago

  • Guest
Re:another chemical shift question
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2005, 08:56:03 AM »
My english is not good/ My minds is presented on the picture.

laotree

  • Guest
Re:another chemical shift question
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2005, 10:50:14 PM »
My english is not good/ My minds is presented on the picture.
The first structure explains the question very well.

Offline alphahydroxy

  • Full Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 194
  • Mole Snacks: +7/-6
  • I'm a lumberjack, and I'm OK !
Re:another chemical shift question
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2005, 09:37:06 AM »
ah, the universal language of organic chemistry :inlove:

Offline Winga

  • Chemist
  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 510
  • Mole Snacks: +39/-10
Re:another chemical shift question
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2005, 10:17:14 AM »
I don't think the mesomeric effect is the main factor.

Offline Winga

  • Chemist
  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 510
  • Mole Snacks: +39/-10
Re:another chemical shift question
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2005, 10:24:17 AM »
My explanation is that Hc and Hb are in different positions where Hc is closed to phenyl ring while Hb is closed to carbonyl group.

As the anisotropic effect by phenyl ring is higher than that by C=O group, Hc will have a higher chemical shift.
« Last Edit: August 09, 2005, 10:31:48 AM by Winga »

Sponsored Links