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Adding concentrated Hydrochloric acid to Dibromosuccinate
« on: November 28, 2005, 05:38:06 PM »
A bit confused here. Was doing a laboratory work, and my partner said we should add HCl to the dibromosuccinate, to get the Dibromosuccinic acid. we do it and tell the tutor what we've done. I am totally clueless at to what is happenning coz i missed the lectures on this, and the lecturer was like yeah we did the right thing, but why did Dibromosuccinic acid precipitate? and i was starring like an idiot for ages. Just been getting to me anyone with ideas why? I cant get my head around it

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Re:Adding concentrated Hydrochloric acid to Dibromosuccinate
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2005, 12:01:01 AM »
In its deprotonated form (at neutral pH and higher), most carboxyl groups exists as carboxylates (R-COO-).  Since the dibromosuccinate contains two carboxylate groups, it has two negative charges on it and is therefore very soluble in water (a polar solvent).  However, at low pH, the carboxylate groups will become protonated and become carboxylic acids (R-COOH).  Therefore, when you add HCl to the dibromosuccinate, you get dibromosuccinic acid, a carboxylic acid.  Since the carboxylic acid groups are not charged, dibromosuccinic acid is no longer soluble in water and precipitates from the solution.

This principle works for most organic acids.  For example, while benzoate ion is soluble in water, benzoic acid is relatively insoluble in water.

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Re:Adding concentrated Hydrochloric acid to Dibromosuccinate
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2005, 01:23:14 AM »
In its deprotonated form (at neutral pH and higher), most carboxyl groups exists as carboxylates (R-COO-).  

A few % of groups means most groups?
But I agree with the rest of explanation
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Re:Adding concentrated Hydrochloric acid to Dibromosuccinate
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2005, 05:14:45 PM »
thanx guyz. the answer was right in front of me but alas my chemistry brain cells are dead. A joke about the why the polar bear dissolved in water from the humour section gave me an idea but couldnt really piece it together in a sensible way.

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