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VSEPR repulsion units
« on: November 18, 2012, 08:58:31 PM »
We are taught,
number of repulsion units(VSEPR units) = σ + lone pairs :larrow: 1
how many repulsion units in molecules like NO and NO2?
I would like to modify the theory we taught..
number of repulsion units(VSEPR units)= σ + lone pairs +unpaired bonding electrons :larrow: 2
because we can't predict the shape of NO2 with just no:1
Am I correct ?
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Re: VSEPR repulsion units
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2012, 08:44:20 AM »
b u m p

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Re: VSEPR repulsion units
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2012, 08:57:56 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VSEPR_theory
Here you have the paragraph "Odd-electron molecules".

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Re: VSEPR repulsion units
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2012, 07:58:39 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VSEPR_theory
Here you have the paragraph "Odd-electron molecules".
Yes ,I understand this.But if someone asks me how many repulsion units are there in NO2 -what will be my answer - 2 or 3 ?

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Re: VSEPR repulsion units
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2012, 04:11:39 AM »
2.5.

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Re: VSEPR repulsion units
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2012, 09:42:58 PM »
2.5.
Are you 100% sure about this that I will get full marks if I give 2.5 as my answer in a paper..?
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Re: VSEPR repulsion units
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2012, 09:56:39 AM »
It is always good to explain what you mean by 2.5 and that is explained on the wikkipedia link I have you.

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Re: VSEPR repulsion units
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2012, 05:58:51 AM »
It is always good to explain what you mean by 2.5 and that is explained on the wikkipedia link I have you.
One more question regarding this...
What is the hybridization of N in NO2?
Is it sp or sp2 ?
can you give me energy diagrams showing exited state and hybridized state of N in NO2 like the following .Here's the ground state of N.

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Re: VSEPR repulsion units
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2012, 10:05:41 AM »
If VSEPR theory says that the structure is a transitional one (something between two other structures), then you shouldn't expect that the hybridisation type will be absolute. As there is no sp1.5, the valence bond theory fails to predict the geometry of this molecule, so I don't think that you can find a diagram for sp1.5.

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