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Electron Count of each Rh in RH6(CO)16?
« on: March 27, 2006, 12:37:30 PM »
More of a theoretical question - What's the electron count on any individual Rh in Rh6(CO)16?  What I think I'm doing wrong is assigning the incorrect electron contribution from the mu-3 CO ligands (4e- distributed across three Rh atoms=1 1/3 e- per Rh?), but I'm not sure.  

Using the neutral ligand method, I'm getting:

Rh                    9e-
4(Rh-Rh)           4e-
(2) terminal CO  4e-  
(2) mu-3 CO      1 1/3 e-
                        _________

                       = 18 1/3e-

This doesn't sound right, since it seems the electron count should be below 18 e- per Rh in this octahedral config.  Anyone have a suggestion for me?  Thanks...
             

   

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Re:Electron Count of each Rh in RH6(CO)16?
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2006, 12:45:00 AM »
Are you sure that C in CO can share 4 electrons.
Note - I do not know structure of Rh6(CO)16 but in structure of closely related Ir6(CO)16 there are two different isomers
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Re:Electron Count of each Rh in RH6(CO)16?
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2006, 09:08:28 AM »
In electron counting i've never seen fractions used, such is in your 1 1/3 example.
It might be that i've never came accross an example like that.   ???

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Re:Electron Count of each Rh in RH6(CO)16?
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2006, 09:18:12 AM »
I just found my old inorgainc lecture notes. Its says that CO is a neutral 2 electron donating species and mu3 CO is a neutral ligand donating 1 electron to each metal.
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Re:Electron Count of each Rh in RH6(CO)16?
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2006, 10:05:39 AM »
Exclusions proves the rules. Second isomer of iridium is mu2
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Re:Electron Count of each Rh in RH6(CO)16?
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2006, 11:21:49 PM »
Yeah - I don't know about the fractional electron counting thing, either - I was thinking of it as more of a theoretical bookkeeping tool than any real partial electron.  Which led me to thinking each mu-3 CO ligand (which I had incorrectly assigned 2e-  each) was equally shared across the three atoms of Rh.  I was led to believe (by hints from an organometallic prof) that the theoretical electron count would be under 18 e- and possibly a funky number, so it helps a lot knowing that mu-3 carbonyls only donate 1 e- each as green-goblin suggested.

The problem pointed to a structure of Rh6(CO)16 to use for our reference - I'm not sure about the other isomer, but it brings up a good point.  This site has a good representation of the octahedral structure of the complex similar to the one in my text:

http://www.dur.ac.uk/a.k.hughes/clusters/rhodium/qugboj.html

Thanks a bunch for the replies....

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Re:Electron Count of each Rh in RH6(CO)16?
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2006, 12:18:31 AM »
Isomers of Ir6(CO)16
JACS 106 (1984) 6664-6667
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