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Biogas density
« on: December 15, 2015, 09:33:16 PM »
Dear All,

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
    At first i using percentage of composition of the gas molecular to calculate the density of the biogas.
    Molecular weight:
      1. CH4 = 16.0426,
      2. CO2 = 44.009
      3. O2 = 31.998
 
    Density:
      1. CH4 = 16.0426/22.4 = 0.7162 g/L
      2. CO2 = 44.009/22.4 = 1.9647 g/L
      3. O2 = 31.998/22.4 = 1.4285 g/L

    Composition:
      1. CH4 = 60%,
      2. CO2 = 38.5%
      3. O2 = 1.5%
 
Therefore,
    Actual Density:
      1. CH4 = 0.7162*60%
      2. CO2 = 1.9647*38.5%
      3. O2 = 1.4285*1.5%   
Total = 1.207545 g/L

However, this density is not based on parameter such as temperature.

2. Relevant equations

The following is the formula that i found to have temperature as parameter.
PV = znRT

3. The attempt at a solution

I have to stick with the density that i calculated earlier or should i calculate it based on the equation that i showed or perhaps there is other equation can precisely calculate the density of the biogas?


« Last Edit: December 15, 2015, 11:27:42 PM by Charles CL »
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Re: Biogas density
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Re: Biogas density
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Re: Biogas density
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2015, 02:37:19 AM »
    Density:
      1. CH4 = 16.0426/22.4 = 0.7162 g/L

You indirectly used the temperature here - 22.4 L is a molar volume of an ideal gas at 0°C. You can use PV=nRT to calculate the molar volume at any other temperature, and start from there.
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Re: Biogas density
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2016, 03:43:12 AM »
Dear Borek,

P=30 mbar, T = 308 K
let n = 1 (i'm not sure how to calculate or get this number),
V = 0.854035

Molecular weight for gas, M = 126.1304 g/mol
PV=nRT,
V = 0.854035 m3

density = M/V
density = 147.69 g/m3.mol
However, this number is huge different from the typical of 1.2 kg/m3
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Re: Biogas density
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2016, 07:10:58 AM »
P=30 mbar, T = 308 K

OK, although I don't know where you got 30 mbar from. Perhaps it is a partial pressure of something?

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let n = 1 (i'm not sure how to calculate or get this number),

just an assumption, you could assume any other number of moles, in the end it will cancel out leaving exactly the same result.

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V = 0.854035

OK

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Molecular weight for gas, M = 126.1304 g/mol

No idea where you got it from.

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density = M/V
density = 147.69 g/m3.mol

Correctly calculated from the above (questionable) number.

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However, this number is huge different from the typical of 1.2 kg/m3

30 mbar is about 3% of the normal pressure, nothing surprising that the density is order of magnitude lower than that of a normal air at sea level.
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Re: Biogas density
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2016, 08:27:08 AM »
If the composition is in percentage by volume (and not by mass) and considering ideal gas, you can calculate the mean MW

0.6*16.0426+0.385*44.009+0.015*31.998=27.05 g/mol It differs significantly from 126.1304 g/mol

If it's in percentage by mass you can use the densities to get it. Anyway, it can't be above 44 g/mol

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