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Ksp and solubility - Assignment driving me crazy
« on: May 22, 2016, 08:07:01 AM »
I will present the assignment and my calculations. Fair to say, it's completely different from the answer in the book.

a) Write the equilibrium for Ag2SO4(s) dissolved in water and the expression for the solubility product.

My answer


Ag2SO4(s)  ::equil:: 2Ag2+ (aq) + SO42- (aq)
Ksp = [Ag+]2 * [SO42-]

So far so good.

b) Ksp (Ag2SO4) = 1,6 * 10-5
Calculate the solubility of Ag2SO4(s) in moles/L and in mg/100 mL.


My answer

Solubility of Ag2SO4 at equilibrium:

1 mole of Ag2SO4  :resonance: 2 moles of Ag+  :resonance: 1 mole of So42-

x * (2x)2 = 1,6 * 10-5 (moles/L)3

4x3 = 1,6 * 10-5
           
3√4x = 3√1,6 * 10-5 (moles/L)3

4x = 4 * 10-6

x =        4 * 10-6 moles/L
           ______________
                   4

x = 1 * 10-6 moles/L

The answer from my book shows: 1,6 * 10-2 moles/L and 0,5g/L

Where do I go wrong?

c) Calculate the solubility in moles/L of Ag2SO4(s) in 0,22 moles/L AgNo3

My answer

1,6 * 10-5 (moles/L)3= (0,22 moles/L + 2x)2 * x

We assume that 2x is so small compared to 0,22 moles/L, that we remove it from the equation.

0,0484x = 1,6 * 10-5 (moles/L)3

x = 3,3 * 10-4 (moles/L)3

My books answer is the same, but in moles/L and not in (moles/L)3 (3,3 * 10-4

What's the difference here?
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Re: Ksp and solubility - Assignment driving me crazy
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2016, 11:38:24 AM »
4x = 4 * 10-6
You appear to have just made some algebra error at this step. I'm not sure exactly what you did, though.

4x3 = 1.6E-5

Divide both sides by 4 to get x3 = 4E-6

Cube root of 4E-6 gives x = 0.0158.

Good news is that you set the problem up right, just be careful following through on the math.
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Re: Ksp and solubility - Assignment driving me crazy
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2016, 05:29:54 PM »
Thanks for the reply!


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Re: Ksp and solubility - Assignment driving me crazy
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2016, 01:47:27 PM »
How about c) btw? I will repost it because I see that i didn't complete it.

c) Calculate the solubility in moles/L of Ag2SO4(s) in 0,22 moles/L AgNo3

My answer

1,6 * 10-5 (moles/L)3= (0,22 moles/L + 2x)2 * x

We assume that 2x is so small compared to 0,22 moles/L, that we remove it from the equation.

0,0484x = 1,6 * 10-5 (moles/L)3

x = 3,3 * 10-4 (moles/L)3

What I don't understand


My book's answer is the same, but in moles/L (3,3 * 10-4 moles/L) and not in (moles/L)3 (3,3 * 10-4 moles/L)3

Does anybody know why this is?

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Re: Ksp and solubility - Assignment driving me crazy
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2016, 04:08:54 PM »
1,6 * 10-5 (moles/L)3= (0,22 moles/L + 2x)2 * x

We assume that 2x is so small compared to 0,22 moles/L, that we remove it from the equation.

0,0484x = 1,6 * 10-5 (moles/L)3

0.0484x - what happened to the units?
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Re: Ksp and solubility - Assignment driving me crazy
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2016, 05:22:49 PM »
Corrected, but I still don't understand the last steps; unless you are allowed to divide (moles/L)3 with (moles/L)2 and get moles/L1 = moles/L.

My answer

1,6 * 10-5 (moles/L)3= (0,22 moles/L + 2x)2 * x

We assume that 2x is so small compared to 0,22 moles/L, that we remove it from the equation.

0,0484x (moles/L)2 = 1,6 * 10-5 (moles/L)3

x = 3,3 * 10-4 (moles/L)3

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Re: Ksp and solubility - Assignment driving me crazy
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2016, 02:54:53 AM »
Corrected, but I still don't understand the last steps; unless you are allowed to divide (moles/L)3 with (moles/L)2 and get moles/L1 = moles/L.

Sure you are, that's how you deal with units. You can add/subtract only values that have same units, you can cancel units when multiplying/dividing, powers (including fractional ones) apply as well. However, functions like sin/log/exp require dimensionless arguments.
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Re: Ksp and solubility - Assignment driving me crazy
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2016, 10:27:22 AM »
Thanks for the reply!

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