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Offline benjster85

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Constant Temperature Bath: Acetone and Dry Ice at -78˚C
« on: September 22, 2016, 12:50:47 PM »
Why does the temperature remain at -78˚C? I know that that is the temperature at which CO2 sublimes; so I understand why it stops subliming once the acetone reaches that temperature. However, I don't understand why the acetone does not get colder; presumably the bulk of the dry ice is COLDER than -78˚C, right?

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Re: Constant Temperature Bath: Acetone and Dry Ice at -78˚C
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2016, 02:16:31 PM »
How would the dry ice sublime if it is colder than its sublimation point?

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Re: Constant Temperature Bath: Acetone and Dry Ice at -78˚C
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2016, 02:30:46 PM »
As a senior member of this forum, I know you know your stuff. I don't, and that is why I'm asking.

My question is: the CO2 is very cold; it is cooling off the acetone, even as the acetone is heating it. Once -78˚C is reached, why doesn't the acetone's temperature continue to drop. It is in contact with the very cold CO2, after all....

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Re: Constant Temperature Bath: Acetone and Dry Ice at -78˚C
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2016, 03:29:49 PM »
I think that limiting factor in cooling bath with dry ice or liquid nitrogen may be the melting point of  solvent or boiling point of mixture CO2(N2)-solvent.
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Re: Constant Temperature Bath: Acetone and Dry Ice at -78˚C
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2016, 12:31:13 PM »
Why should the dry ice be colder than -78°C?
If produced colder, it reaches -78°C during storage because at that temperature, it can absorb enough heat by sublimation to stay cold.

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Re: Constant Temperature Bath: Acetone and Dry Ice at -78˚C
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2016, 01:31:15 PM »
Why should the dry ice be colder than -78°C?
If produced colder, it reaches -78°C during storage because at that temperature, it can absorb enough heat by sublimation to stay cold.
Dry ice itself sublimes (- 78.5 C), cooling bath - dry ice or liquid nitrogen with chloroform (-61 C or -63 C, respectively; melting point of chloroform -63.5 C).
Dry ice in acetone (-78 C) or ethyl ether (-100 C) dissolves first, then its solution boils.
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