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#### habbababba

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##### Calculating the Moleculer Weight of a Polyester
« on: December 02, 2016, 02:03:13 PM »

Hi.

Is there a way to calculate the molecular weight of a polyester without having its mass? I read that the hydroxyl number and the viscosity of the polymer can both be used to calculate the molecular weight of the polymer but I'm not sure exactly how this is done.
Would appreciate it if anyone can provide insight on this.

Thanks.
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##### Re: Calculating the Moleculer Weight of a Polyester
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2016, 09:23:38 PM »

I read that the hydroxyl number and the viscosity of the polymer can both be used to calculate the molecular weight of the polymer but I'm not sure exactly how this is done.

Google for experimental determination of polymer molecular mass.
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##### Re: Calculating the Moleculer Weight of a Polyester
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2016, 03:39:14 AM »

Gel Permeation Chromatography column? Gives a visual read out of the MW distribution and polydispersity.
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