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Offline seant014

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Biogas
« on: March 03, 2017, 04:38:23 AM »
Good day,

My group is currently working on a Biogas Digester. Although, after 2 weeks, no methane was produced. We have some problems that we need answers/opinions. Here are they:
1. How long will it take for a 20 gallons mixture of cow manure and water (1:1) to produce methane?
2. Is there any way for us to fasten the process? Such as, can we use a catalyst (yeast) to fasten the process up?
3. What can we do if our digester still doesn't methane? Do we need to replace our slurry (manure and water mixture) with new one or is there any remedy that we can do to still use the first mixture that we made?

Suggestions are highly appreciated.


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Re: Biogas
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2017, 06:07:12 AM »
A bit more specifics about your process may help an expert give you more help with the problem you're having.  Some thoughts:

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My group is currently working on a Biogas Digester. Although, after 2 weeks, no methane was produced. We have some problems that we need answers/opinions. Here are they:
1. How long will it take for a 20 gallons mixture of cow manure and water (1:1) to produce methane?

I don't think you can expect a biological process, applied to a biological source, to have a rigidly defined time frame.  How ever, in the two weeks, what has happened?  Is the mixture fermenting?  Is it releasing gas?  What is the compositions of that gas, and how do you know the composition?  This helps us not only know whats wrong, but also your technical level -- are you part of a small group working on a process, or a home scientist?

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2. Is there any way for us to fasten the process? Such as, can we use a catalyst (yeast) to fasten the process up?

No.  I suspect that won't work at all.  Why do you think it might?  Why do you call a living thing a catalyst?  Do you have a resource that suggests that yeast produces methane?

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3. What can we do if our digester still doesn't methane? Do we need to replace our slurry (manure and water mixture) with new one or is there any remedy that we can do to still use the first mixture that we made?

Your question leads to a bunch of off topic questions of mine:  How much slurry do you have?  Where did it come from?  How did you get it, and how will you dispose of it?  How will you get more, and what will you do with the excess?  When you've made all the methane you can, how will you dispose of your "spent" slurry?  We need this information to gauge your technical level, so we know what help to give you.

Briefly, I know very little about methane production.  Back in the 1970's I read a children's book on planning an experiment to produce methane.  Basically, a digester contained a slurry of manure: chicken litter was best, cow manure next best, and horse manure least yield of all.  Existing fecal microbes should provide the enzymes needed to produce methane, if the digester has no oxygen.  Carbon dioxide is produced to start with, until oxygen is depeleted.  So the produced methane is always contaminated with other gasses.  After all the methane is spent, a small amount of slurry can be used as fertilizer for home use. 

But again, this is a children's book explanation, you may need something better. On the other hand, you seem to lack the very basics of methane production, analysis, waste handling and you've given us no idea of the yields you expect.  So I'm left wondering what help you really need.
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Re: Biogas
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2017, 06:33:41 AM »
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are you part of a small group working on a process, or a home scientist?
-More like small group working on a process.

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How ever, in the two weeks, what has happened?  Is the mixture fermenting?  Is it releasing gas?  What is the compositions of that gas, and how do you know the composition?
- It is releasing gas. Although, we do not have such equipment to know the exact composition of it. The only test that we can do is to check the methane gas container that we made or check if the gas that goes out from that container will ignite.

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No.  I suspect that won't work at all.  Why do you think it might?  Why do you call a living thing a catalyst?  Do you have a resource that suggests that yeast produces methane?
- We are just considering things. Originally, we have 2-3 months to finish this project but it was reduced to 1 month. So we are currently searching on a method on how can we fasten the process up.

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How much slurry do you have?  Where did it come from?  How did you get it, and how will you dispose of it? 
- We currently have 20 gallons of slurry
- It is a mixture of Cow Manure and Water (1:1). We got the manure from a dairy farm.

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How will you get more, and what will you do with the excess?  When you've made all the methane you can, how will you dispose of your "spent" slurry?  We need this information to gauge your technical level, so we know what help to give you.
- The excess or the spent slurry will be secreted and will be used as fertilizer.

We created an air tight drum container where the slurry is currently stored. The container was stored in a place where temperature is in room temperature.



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Re: Biogas
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2017, 08:42:53 PM »
Ok.  We have to find out what's happening, but you have limited resources.  You need to know what gas you're making, and you need to clean it up.  At first you'll get carbon dioxide ... in fact, you'll always get some.  What gasses are you expecting besides methane, and how were you planning to clean it up to use the methane.
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Re: Biogas
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2017, 09:48:05 PM »
The resources you have access to are varied, but you still have to try to give us the scope of your task.  Try to search on this forum for methane production, we've come up with some ideas before.
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