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Offline foxthreefour

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Does anyone know where I could find articles that have successfully carried out the reduction of an aromatic ketone to an alkane using Pd/C and hydrogen? I can't find references to an actual attempt or study.

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Re: Reduction of aromatic ketones to alkanes with Pd/C and hydrogen
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2018, 03:06:03 AM »
Do you mean just the Ketone or the whole molecule, benzene ring and all?

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Re: Reduction of aromatic ketones to alkanes with Pd/C and hydrogen
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2018, 03:00:01 PM »
Just the ketone.

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Re: Reduction of aromatic ketones to alkanes with Pd/C and hydrogen
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2018, 03:05:09 PM »
A mixture of Pd/C and NaBH4 in methanol could work. Ketones are very resistant to hydrogenation, or? One could also convert the ketone to thioketone with Lawessonś reagent and desulphurize with Raney-Ni.

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Re: Reduction of aromatic ketones to alkanes with Pd/C and hydrogen
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2018, 09:55:29 PM »
A mixture of Pd/C and NaBH4 in methanol could work. Ketones are very resistant to hydrogenation, or? One could also convert the ketone to thioketone with Lawessonś reagent and desulphurize with Raney-Ni.
+1 this may be a good choice or conversion to a dithianeketal and Raney Ni reduction

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Re: Reduction of aromatic ketones to alkanes with Pd/C and hydrogen
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2018, 11:39:00 AM »
why dont make tosylhydrazon and decompose with KOH ? Wolf-Kishner reaction

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Re: Reduction of aromatic ketones to alkanes with Pd/C and hydrogen
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2018, 07:43:50 PM »
I think you mean tolyl, tosyl is with a sulfonyl.

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Re: Reduction of aromatic ketones to alkanes with Pd/C and hydrogen
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2018, 04:29:39 AM »
I think you mean tolyl, tosyl is with a sulfonyl.

I don't think it matters - the reactive bit is at the other end (the hydrazine)

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Re: Reduction of aromatic ketones to alkanes with Pd/C and hydrogen
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2018, 06:32:10 PM »
Tosyl would mean you have the sulfonyl hydrazine as opposed to alkyl hydrazone, pretty different reactivity profiles.

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Re: Reduction of aromatic ketones to alkanes with Pd/C and hydrogen
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2018, 05:23:09 AM »
I think you mean tolyl, tosyl is with a sulfonyl.

yes I ment tosyl, it makes the NH more acidic. However, I recalled it wrong, the tosylhydrazone is then reduced with hydride and not with base, its called Caglioti reaction

Caglioti, L.; Magi, M. (1963). "The reaction of tosylhydrazones with lithium aluminium hydride". Tetrahedron. 19 (7): 1127

There are many different variants of K-W reaction, some of them even at room temperature

Furrow, M. E.; Myers, A. G. (2004). "Practical Procedures for the Preparation ofN-tert-Butyldimethylsilylhydrazones and Their Use in Modified Wolff−Kishner Reductions and in the Synthesis of Vinyl Halides andgem-Dihalides". Journal of the American Chemical Society. 126 (17): 5436–5445

Look up a wikipedia for mroe, their page on K-W reduction is pretty good

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