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Chemical bonds
« on: November 16, 2018, 10:11:15 AM »
Hey there,

I am confused about chemical bonds. Bonds are often defined as the electrostatic attractive forces between particles as well as the linkage between particles that occur as a result of the electrostatic attractive forces between them. So which definition describes what bonds are? If it is the former, then how do we “break” the attractive forces between particles?. For example, when cations and anions have their ionic bonds broken do we mean that the attractive forces between them are “broken”? How can that be the case? I know the strength of forces follows the inverse square law and hence these forces will never completely subside.

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Re: Chemical bonds
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2018, 11:12:17 AM »
Electrostatic interactions hold atoms together. We may think of this quasipermanent glue as bonds. Don't be worried about not have a clear understanding of what bonds are - chemists and physicists have been arguing about it for much of the last 100 years, and our understanding of what a bond is, and what types there are, constantly evolves.

In most situations relevant to chemistry on Earth, bonds are not broken spontaneously in a vacuum. If A is bonded to B to form AB, the bond may become broken when AB comes in close proximity to C, such that A forms a stronger bond to C than it does to B.

Since you mentioned an ionic bond, think of table salt dissolving in water. The bonds between sodium and chloride break, but new interactions are also formed between sodium and water or chloride and water that make it an energy favorable situation.

The circumstances change somewhat in outer space. Even though molecules in space are very far apart, chemistry does happen. Usually due to the interaction of isolated molecules and light, which provides energy to break bonds. By the type the energized fragments lose that energy, they have moved so far apart (the inverse square molecule you mentioned) that the strength of attraction isn't frequently strong enough to pull them back together. Fragments remaining after breaking covalent bonds this way aren't always charged, either, so "random chance" needs to bring such chemicals together rather an electrostatic attraction.

Chemistry is complicated.  ;)
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Re: Chemical bonds
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2018, 05:47:25 AM »
Electrostatic interactions hold atoms together. We may think of this quasipermanent glue as bonds. Don't be worried about not have a clear understanding of what bonds are - chemists and physicists have been arguing about it for much of the last 100 years, and our understanding of what a bond is, and what types there are, constantly evolves.

In most situations relevant to chemistry on Earth, bonds are not broken spontaneously in a vacuum. If A is bonded to B to form AB, the bond may become broken when AB comes in close proximity to C, such that A forms a stronger bond to C than it does to B.

Since you mentioned an ionic bond, think of table salt dissolving in water. The bonds between sodium and chloride break, but new interactions are also formed between sodium and water or chloride and water that make it an energy favorable situation.

The circumstances change somewhat in outer space. Even though molecules in space are very far apart, chemistry does happen. Usually due to the interaction of isolated molecules and light, which provides energy to break bonds. By the type the energized fragments lose that energy, they have moved so far apart (the inverse square molecule you mentioned) that the strength of attraction isn't frequently strong enough to pull them back together. Fragments remaining after breaking covalent bonds this way aren't always charged, either, so "random chance" needs to bring such chemicals together rather an electrostatic attraction.

Chemistry is complicated.  ;)

Hey there I appreciate the response. But what do we mean when we say bonds “break”. We cannot “break” the forces of attraction between particles because they will always exist but their strength will decrease as the distance between the particles increases.

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Re: Chemical bonds
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2018, 10:23:57 AM »
"Break" as in "move parts away so far their electrostatic attraction no longer matters".

Please remember these "parts" will be surrounded by other molecules/ions that will: a) screen them, b) attract them as well.
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