Capsules are typically gelatin. But a plant based polymer, like agar, may also be used.Hi
.. Humans love to categorize things, but there's always a trade off between efficiency and graininess of the endeavor. Things don't always fit into neat boxes, unfortunately, particularly as far as a complex process like metabolism goes.....It doesn't help that it's still not really clear to me what you're trying to do. A clear goal will often inform the way you categorize things.. I fully agree, you make vary good points and Thankyou for your comments, Corribus. - I apologise for not being clearer. – I tried to strike a compromise between a Wall of text and giving enough background info in both my introductory thread
Cellulose is a carbohydrate but ..It is always extremely useful when someone who knows confirms or rather clarifies some of the vague ideas I was / am having as a result of reading many Organic Chemistry books..
Glycerine (glycerol) is not a fat, although it does tend ...).
. as I said, you need to be cognizant of things like: cellulose and other indigestible plant fibers are technically carbohydrates, but if we don't have the enzymes to digest them, they pass right through and don't contribute to the energy equation. .
Cellulose is a carbohydrate but carbohydrates are not created equally. ... Some people call it dietary fiber. .This makes it particularly difficult for me. Clearly you are explaining in a way how the controversy arises ( at least here in Germany ) as to how to calculate Kcal from things that might be considered either Carb or Fiber. I have seen products of similar type with similar Ingredients and similar ( high ) Fibre values given, but with different final Kcal. So here again we see this grey area. And as I mentioned there is a growing tendency now for manufacturers to leave out their Fibre content in their given Nutrition values. I have tried in vain to get straight answers from manufactures as to their Kcal from Fibre calculations.
. the only others you may need to worry about are alcohol (in the event you imbibe) and organic acids, like vinegar, .The health aspects aside, I ( or rather my Wife and I ) seem to find the occasional imbibe agreeable, and we do it... in moderation. And I have alcohol in my Protocol. A couple of small question here,
..I think i am already approximately at the level of that article in my understanding. But thanks for the link, i will revise it again. ( As i mentioned the facts of my Wife’s metabolism are way outside any figures given there, even allowing for all known or accepted differences in physiology from person to person. At the time that she was most Healthy and active, slimmer and participating in much Sport, her Kcal intake was at such a small level that all Doctors were 100% sure she should have been a long time dead from starvation. !! Unfortunately taking their advice a last time has resulted in it being almost impossible for her now to eat without gaining weight!!
Maybe you find this article useful as a starting point to understand ...
10% of the carnitine capsule is unaccounted for..Apologise. I have a typo. It should be
.._2a) Is this approximately then in agreement with my 2.3 x 9.1 = 21Kcal, or 2,27 x ___ =21Kcal guess?
The stearic acid in the magnesium stearate is a fatty acid and will be utilized for calories.
It seems that the manufacturer is just using the weight of magnesium stearate as the fat content..
...I am slightly unclear as to what you are refering to here with Tartaric acid is. Is this something to do with the Carnitine, or rather L-Carnitin-Tartrat ( as its name suggests ) ?. Are you suggesting then that the manufacturer may be in error and should be applying am extra term in the energy equation of
Tartaric acid has caloric value. Perhaps around 3kcal/g..
.That is all tying up nicely with Corribus’s comments, thanks.
Hypromellose and other modified celluloses should have very little caloric value for us non-ruminants..
..*** Now that you mention that, I do remember once a manufacturer explaining the discrepancy in his given Sodium, Potassium and Salt ( NaCl ) values as down to the official way he was obliged to calculate these values. So again it is helpful to get another voice on such things, thanks!
The manufacturer has made no official mistake. These labels are not thorough attempts at giving the full caloric content, they are bureaucratic flow charts that try not to be too complicated and still generally give reasonable rough estimates. .
. Carnitine Tartrate is just a mixture of carnitine and tartaric acid. So you would get the weight of tartarate by subtracting the weight of carnitine from the weight of the mixture. I don't really know how many kcalories are in a gram of tartarate but using the generic value of 3 for organic acids seems fine. ._. Based on your comments and given that I have so much L carnitine in the product I used as an example, maybe I need to try to up the Kcal I use for it – I am seeing some values just now by “googling” of Kcal around 100 for some “pure” L Carnitin products. Here, one example:
There may be a few places where extra calories can sneak in. .
.The L-carnintin product is just one of many I am trying to consider. It is one in the jungle of Nutritional Supplements that may ( or may not! ) help in encouraging weight loss. The reason why i included the particular product example here was that, as i mentioned in post #5, I had very untypically a full Ingredients listing on its label with relative % values of all “Things” in it. I expect this may have been an error by the manufacture. The label has now change to show the ingredients just listed in order, “biggest” at the top, but with no specific relative quantity, which is much more usual!.
Can I ask why carnitine?
Your list is very ambitious.i agree! - My list is both ambitious and unfortunately very messy. I like to understand as much as i can, seeing where things are coming from and at the same time still trying to keep it practical to actually use. That is proving more and more difficult.
I'm not sure if that text file version is representative of the whole spreadsheet .
...I am very grateful you took time to look at what is a very difficult to see list. The Text File is not at all clear to follow, and the Excel File just mildly better. I confess I sometime have to use the Excel Find / Search facility to find things I have myself listed sometimes. ( some versions of simple text documents have such a search thing as well I think ? ) Most of the things you mention are there:
You are missing the essential nutrient choline.
You are missing some prominent non-essential nutrients.
Lutein, zeaxanthin are carotenoids that are important for the macula of the eye.
Taurine and creatine both have transporters to aid in their absorption....
...I'm not sure if that text file version is representative of the whole spreadsheet .
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You have beta-alanine but not its two main dietary sources, carnosine and anserine.
..Thanks for that. It puts it into nice easy terms which i can understand and really helps clarify the ideas that I have ( a bit mixed up currently ) about these things.
'Alanine' is alpha-alanine and not particularly related to carnosine and anserine.
Carnitine is not particularly protein-like. It is made from amino acids but they are not simply combined in the standard way for making a peptide.
Functionally it somewhat resembles glycerine in that it is a place for fatty acids to be attached. Fatty acids are attached to glycerine for storage and to carnitine for transport across mitochindria. ...makes sense to list carnitine near lipids, but it is not a lipid on its own.
Per 100g | per 12.3g | per 17.5g | |
Kcal | 350 | 59.5 | 43.05 |
Fat | 0.3 | 0.051 | 0.0369 |
Protein | 85 | 14.45 | 10.455 |
Carbohydrates | 0.1 | 0.017 | 0.0123 |
Sugars | 0.1 | 0.017 | 0.0123 |
Water | 11 | 1.87 | 1.353 |
Total dietary fibre | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Cholesterol | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Mineral | 1.7 | 0.289 | 0.2091 |
Vitamin B6 | 0.00001 | 0.0000017 | 0.00000123 |
Niacinequivalent | 0.0001 | 0.000017 | 0.0000123 |
Sodium | 0.06 | 0.0102 | 0.00738 |
Potassium | 0.07 | 0.0119 | 0.00861 |
Magnesium | 0.011 | 0.00187 | 0.001353 |
Copper | 0.00005 | 0.0000085 | 0.00000615 |
Zinc | 0.0002 | 0.000034 | 0.0000246 |
Chloride | 0.1 | 0.017 | 0.0123 |
Fluoride | 0.00003 | 0.0000051 | 0.00000369 |
Iodide | 0.000006 | 0.00000102 | 7.38E-07 |
Manganese | 0.00004 | 0.0000068 | 0.00000492 |
Sulphur | 0.1 | 0.017 | 0.0123 |
Arginine | 7.8 | 1.326 | 0.9594 |
Cystin | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Histidine | 0.64 | 0.1088 | 0.07872 |
Isoleucine | 1.45 | 0.2465 | 0.17835 |
Leucine | 3.6 | 0.612 | 0.4428 |
Lysine | 3.95 | 0.6715 | 0.48585 |
Methionine | 0.5 | 0.085 | 0.0615 |
Phenylalanine | 2.1 | 0.357 | 0.2583 |
Threonine | 1.9 | 0.323 | 0.2337 |
Tryptophane | 0.003 | 0.00051 | 0.000369 |
Tyrosine | 0.27 | 0.0459 | 0.03321 |
Valine | 2.45 | 0.4165 | 0.30135 |
Alanine | 10.5 | 1.785 | 1.2915 |
Aspartic acid | 6.4 | 1.088 | 0.7872 |
Glutamic acid | 10.5 | 1.785 | 1.2915 |
Glycine | 23.9 | 4.063 | 2.9397 |
Proline | 14.2 | 2.414 | 1.7466 |
Serine | 3.65 | 0.6205 | 0.44895 |
essent. amino acids | 22 | 3.74 | 2.706 |
nonessent. amino acids | 63.8 | 10.846 | 7.8474 |
Per 100g | per 17g | per 12.3g | |
Kcal | 350 | 59.5 | 43.05 |