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Title: UV Absorbance of given molecule during HPLC?
Post by: Optimist on December 30, 2016, 07:48:54 AM
I want to purify given compound by HPLC, But I am not sure whether this molecule show absorbance in UV region. In my HPLC system we usually use two wavelength (220nm, and 254nm) for measuring absorbance during purification of compound by preparative HPLC>
Can some please throw light on the absorbance of molecule in UV using HPLC. what are the criteria other than, extensive conjugation and benzene right.
thanks in advance.
Title: Re: UV Absorbance of given molecule during HPLC?
Post by: AWK on December 30, 2016, 08:06:45 AM
It can be easily found in many handbooks.
Title: Re: UV Absorbance of given molecule during HPLC?
Post by: Optimist on December 30, 2016, 08:08:26 AM
It can be easily found in many handbooks.

Can you please name any handbook? It would be highly appreciated.
Title: Re: UV Absorbance of given molecule during HPLC?
Post by: AWK on December 30, 2016, 08:12:27 AM
All chemistry students know Silverstein - Spectrometric Identification of Organic Compounds
Title: Re: UV Absorbance of given molecule during HPLC?
Post by: rolnor on December 30, 2016, 08:17:05 AM
I hope you use a acidic mobilephase, the aminogroup could react with with the estergroups. Do you handle the compound as some kind of aminehydrochloride or other form of salt?
Title: Re: UV Absorbance of given molecule during HPLC?
Post by: Optimist on December 30, 2016, 08:30:09 AM
I hope you use a acidic mobilephase, the aminogroup could react with with the estergroups. Do you handle the compound as some kind of aminehydrochloride or other form of salt?
The stability is not an issue, The compound is stable, so no worries about stability. I actually want to purify this compound on C18 column using water and ACN as mobile phase. I just want to confirm about the UV absorbance of this compound ( free amine not HCl salt) under the given wavelength.
Title: Re: UV Absorbance of given molecule during HPLC?
Post by: Corribus on December 30, 2016, 09:39:35 AM
Carbonyls have a UV absorption due to both pi-pi* and n-pi* transitions, and these are generally in the neighborhood of 190 or so nm and 270 or so nm respectively for a basic ketone. Your molecule will be a bit different, but even so I suspect it will show some absorbance with your instrument. Nevertheless you'd be best off measuring a UV-Vis spectrum of your molecule (or something similar) to be sure where the UV-Vis absorption maxima are, rather than proceeding blindly.
Title: Re: UV Absorbance of given molecule during HPLC?
Post by: kriggy on December 30, 2016, 12:04:30 PM
If its not visible in UV, you can protect the aminogroup with fmoc to make it visible in UV/VIS. It adds two more steps but might be worth it
Title: Re: UV Absorbance of given molecule during HPLC?
Post by: Optimist on December 31, 2016, 02:06:33 AM
If its not visible in UV, you can protect the aminogroup with fmoc to make it visible in UV/VIS. It adds two more steps but might be worth it

I already deprotected amine (Cbz group) using C/Pd-H2.
Title: Re: UV Absorbance of given molecule during HPLC?
Post by: Optimist on December 31, 2016, 02:10:34 AM
Carbonyls have a UV absorption due to both pi-pi* and n-pi* transitions, and these are generally in the neighborhood of 190 or so nm and 270 or so nm respectively for a basic ketone. Your molecule will be a bit different, but even so I suspect it will show some absorbance with your instrument. Nevertheless you'd be best off measuring a UV-Vis spectrum of your molecule (or something similar) to be sure where the UV-Vis absorption maxima are, rather than proceeding blindly.

I performed the HPLC analysis using dual wavelength (220 &250nm) but it show less absorbance but I am not sure whether this is my compound or impurities.
Title: Re: UV Absorbance of given molecule during HPLC?
Post by: kriggy on December 31, 2016, 08:44:20 AM
MS not showing anything?
Im not sure how difficult is to make your compound (ie. if you can spare anything) but maybe you can try to run the prep HPLC with just a small amount just to isolate few mgs and then run NMR to confirm if its the product or not
Title: Re: UV Absorbance of given molecule during HPLC?
Post by: pgk on January 03, 2017, 12:20:18 PM
Strong UV signals are due to conjugation, which does not exist in the given molecule. As consequence, there are two options:
1). Either you take a UV spectrum (in the same solvent as used in HPLC, in not being aqueous) of the given compound and see if the strongest absorption band is strong enough for UV detection.
2). Or, you use a refractive index detector.