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Concentration from pH
« on: December 16, 2010, 01:19:32 PM »
Hello,
I am trying to find the concentrations of two solutions based on their pH for a titration. One is HCl with a pH 0.7and the other is Na2CO3 with a ph of 10. Here is my attempt:

HCl:

It is a strong acid so it will dissociate 100% so the concentration can be found using this equation:
HCl + H2O -> Cl- + H3O+
[H3O] = 10-0.7M = [HCl]

NaCO3:
CO32- + H2O -> HCO3+ + OH- *note: I took out the Na, because i think it was a spectator ion, could this be where I went wrong*

ICE table

  CO32-  HCO3+    OH-
I    Ci       0       0
C   (-x)   (+x)  (+x)
E  (Ci-x)   (x)   (x)

x = 10-4 (This came from it having a pH of 10 so 14-10 = pOH of 4)
(10-4)2/(Ci-10-4) = kb = 2.13*10-4
Ci of CO3= 1.43 *10 -4 M

This number seems to be very low, but I am not quite sure where I went wrong...
Thanks!

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Re: Concentration from pH
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2010, 03:32:01 PM »
This is correct value, but using pH to find concentration is very unreliable.
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Re: Concentration from pH
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2010, 08:45:00 PM »
I didn't factor this in, but CO3 is polyprotic, does that make a difference?

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Re: Concentration from pH
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2010, 09:05:27 PM »
What I mean is that it reacts with water to form HCO3- and then that reacts to form H2CO3. Does this affect my calculations? HCO3- > H2CO3 has a Ka value of 4.5x10-7, so a Kb of 2.23 *10-7

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Re: Concentration from pH
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2010, 04:28:12 AM »
You an safely ignore H2CO3, HCO3- is a much weaker base than CO32-.
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