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Offline david123

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How do I start this question?
« on: June 09, 2015, 07:12:50 PM »


I am not sure how to even start,

is it an addition rxn, i know the reagent is polar protic meaning Sn1 but where is the alkylhalide. so confused.
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Re: How do I start this question?
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2015, 08:50:16 PM »
I would start by asking what sort of substance KOH is.  Another thing I might do is to draw out the structure of the sulfur-containing compound.

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Re: How do I start this question?
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2015, 09:28:17 PM »
Thanks for your reply. I drew out the Dimethyl sulfate and understood that KOH is strong nucleophile, but what is the mechanism approach i take from there, how do i know where it is going to be attacked.

Does the OH bond get removed, or do we move the pie bond to KOH to form a carbocation which then causes the dimethylsulfate to bond with the main branch?

Thanks so much

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Re: How do I start this question?
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2015, 10:49:42 PM »
KOH is also a strong base.  Are there any protons it could remove?

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Re: How do I start this question?
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2015, 12:17:44 AM »
That compound is the enol form of 2-phenyl acetaldehyde!
O=C([H])CC1=CC=CC=C1

And dimethyl sulfate is a reagent for methylation.
So I'm not sure where phenol fits into this question.
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Re: How do I start this question?
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2015, 09:32:01 AM »
Discodermolide,

You raise a good point that I missed entirely; it would seem that either the drawing is incorrect, or the wording of the problem is incorrect.  I am tempted to suggest assuming that the starting material is simply phenol.

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Re: How do I start this question?
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2015, 12:00:33 PM »
Discodermolide,

You raise a good point that I missed entirely; it would seem that either the drawing is incorrect, or the wording of the problem is incorrect.  I am tempted to suggest assuming that the starting material is simply phenol.

I would agree that the SM is probably phenol.
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Re: How do I start this question?
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2015, 06:12:34 PM »
@OP,

Given the pKa values of phenol (about 10) and water (about 15), what will be the equilibrium of an acid-base reaction between them?

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