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Stoichiometric ratio etc
« on: May 10, 2010, 09:11:36 AM »
If epsom salt, MgSO4.xH2O is heated to 250°C all the water of hydration is lost. After heating a 2.024g sample of the hydrate,0.989g of anhydrous MgSO4 remains

Calculate how many molecules of water there are per formula unit of MgSO4

Would you minus the 0.989-2.024 and then use Avogadro's number to find out the molecules?? IInfact i think its wrong by a mile, I am reading ahead in class therefore i am going to cover this topic in the next week or so. So i thought i may have a go at this question.

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Re: Stoichiometric ratio etc
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2010, 10:30:07 AM »
use molar scale - molar mas of hydrate (120+18x) and molar mass of anhydrous salt (120)
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Re: Stoichiometric ratio etc
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2010, 04:47:42 PM »
Now I am just confused. Molar mass scale?

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Re: Stoichiometric ratio etc
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2010, 05:27:20 PM »
I foundthe percentage of water and this is my process. Can someone tell emwhether this is right or not

water = 51.13%
anhydrous = 48.89%

48.87/100=2.024/xg
x=4.141

4.141-2.024=2.117

2.117/18.02=0.11748 moles of water

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Re: Stoichiometric ratio etc
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2010, 05:04:48 AM »
I foundthe percentage of water and this is my process. Can someone tell emwhether this is right or not

water = 51.13%
anhydrous = 48.89%

48.87/100=2.024/xg
x=4.141

4.141-2.024=2.117

2.117/18.02=0.11748 moles of water



convert to molecules

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Convert percentage to moles
water = 51.13%/18
anhydrous = 48.89%/120
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Re: Stoichiometric ratio etc
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2010, 05:56:15 AM »
I foundthe percentage of water and this is my process. Can someone tell emwhether this is right or not

water = 51.13%
anhydrous = 48.89%

48.87/100=2.024/xg
x=4.141

4.141-2.024=2.117

2.117/18.02=0.11748 moles of water



convert to molecules

???
Convert percentage to moles
water = 51.13%/18
anhydrous = 48.89%/120

so is water 2.83moles? People at school were attempting it and I heard a few answers. There was one that came around a bit and that was approx. 7 or so molecules.


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Re: Stoichiometric ratio etc
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2010, 06:41:10 AM »
Would you minus the 0.989-2.024 and then use Avogadro's number to find out the molecules??

Not bad (although looks like you got it reversed and you will have negative mass of water), just do it separately for MgSO4 that was left after heating and for water that left the compound - that will tell what was their ratio in the original compound.

Or - instead of going through molecules - go through moles. Don't calculate percentages, just go for mass of anhydrous sulfate and mass of water removed, convert them to moles and calculate ratio. Same final result.

And yes, 7 is a correct one.
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Re: Stoichiometric ratio etc
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2010, 08:23:35 AM »
Would you minus the 0.989-2.024 and then use Avogadro's number to find out the molecules??

Not bad (although looks like you got it reversed and you will have negative mass of water), just do it separately for MgSO4 that was left after heating and for water that left the compound - that will tell what was their ratio in the original compound.

Or - instead of going through molecules - go through moles. Don't calculate percentages, just go for mass of anhydrous sulfate and mass of water removed, convert them to moles and calculate ratio. Same final result.

And yes, 7 is a correct one.

Thanks for confirming 7 is the correct answer.

Can you please show me your working and i promise not to make stupid threads like this again. I dont know how to get the answer, So come test time, I will fail :-\

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Re: Stoichiometric ratio etc
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2010, 09:53:58 AM »
i think i have this down and dusted

0.989/120.4 = 8.2464x10-3
8.2464x10-3 x 18.02 (H2O) = 0.1484
1.035/0.1484 = 6.974

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Re: Stoichiometric ratio etc
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2010, 10:07:11 AM »
i think i have this down and dusted

I am not sure. You got the correct answer, but you have found it in so convoluted way I am not sure you got it right, and not by accident.

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0.989/120.4 = 8.2464x10-3

Correct - number of moles of sulfate.

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8.2464x10-3 x 18.02 (H2O) = 0.1484

Hmm. This is mass of water. Can you elaborate what water it is - how it should be understood?
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Re: Stoichiometric ratio etc
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2010, 10:43:44 AM »
i think i have this down and dusted

I am not sure. You got the correct answer, but you have found it in so convoluted way I am not sure you got it right, and not by accident.

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0.989/120.4 = 8.2464x10-3

Correct - number of moles of sulfate.

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8.2464x10-3 x 18.02 (H2O) = 0.1484

Hmm. This is mass of water. Can you elaborate what water it is - how it should be understood?

for the last question, isn't itthe amount of water used up during this process

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Re: Stoichiometric ratio etc
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2010, 03:51:08 PM »
No, but you can easily calculate mass of the water that was liberated, and number of moles of water that was liberated.

I have a feeling I am repeating myself.
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