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Title: dibenzalacetone synthesis
Post by: davink67 on March 30, 2010, 06:09:45 PM
why do you add the base in two portions during dibenzalacetone synthesis?
any answer is much obliged!!
Title: Re: dibenzalacetone synthesis
Post by: pacifyer on April 01, 2010, 12:42:52 PM
Weird question... pretty obvious... just follow the instructions carefully.
Title: Re: dibenzalacetone synthesis
Post by: davink67 on April 01, 2010, 03:59:30 PM
Thats the question im supposed to answer in my lab report?
Title: Re: dibenzalacetone synthesis
Post by: sjb on April 01, 2010, 04:02:42 PM
What is the actual reaction you did?
Title: Re: dibenzalacetone synthesis
Post by: davink67 on April 02, 2010, 04:08:52 AM
It was the claisen-schmidt mixed aldol condensation, 1 equivalent of acetone to 2 equivalents benzaldehyde.
Title: Re: dibenzalacetone synthesis
Post by: democanarchis on April 02, 2010, 09:31:18 AM
What would the product of the reaction be if you added only one equivalent of benzaldehyde and base?
Title: Re: dibenzalacetone synthesis
Post by: davink67 on April 02, 2010, 07:15:48 PM
The base is just there to calalyse the reaction surely?
Title: Re: dibenzalacetone synthesis
Post by: sjb on April 03, 2010, 07:24:33 AM
What would the product of the reaction be if you added only one equivalent of benzaldehyde and base?


There is a difference between adding 2 equivalents once, and 1 equivalent each time twice.

Can any other reaction occur between e.g. a strong, concentrated base and a non-enolizable aldehehyde?
Title: Re: dibenzalacetone synthesis
Post by: orgopete on April 07, 2010, 06:40:32 PM
This is a quite interesting question. Without looking up the procedure in Williamson, I recall that everything was added at once in their procedure. However, experience reveals that unless the NaOH is fresh, the reaction can easily fail. In that case, adding additional NaOH(s) will start the reaction again.

Because the reaction only requires a catalytic amount of base as base is regenerated, I think the success of this reaction is related to rates. If small amounts of concentrated base were used, then product formation would dilute the base and slow the reaction. Addition of base could increase the concentration and increase the reaction rate.
Title: Re: dibenzalacetone synthesis
Post by: davink67 on April 09, 2010, 09:09:11 AM
Thanks orgopete, at last someone who tried to understand my question.