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Title: Quantitative analysis of ionic solution
Post by: strewart on October 19, 2016, 01:31:26 AM
I have an odd solution of silver potassium sulfate (AgKSO4) which I can't find anything about online. I would like to determine concentration of the ions. Is it possible to analyse by gravimetric analysis? I could add NaCl to form AgCl precipitate. I imagine the Ag is pretty low concentration because Ag2SO4 is not very soluble. Then precipitate the SO4 with either Ca2+ or Pb2+.

Would this work?
Title: Re: Quantitative analysis of ionic solution
Post by: Hunter2 on October 19, 2016, 01:45:16 AM
I would do a titration for silver. Or if you have modern equipment AAS or ICP.
Title: Re: Quantitative analysis of ionic solution
Post by: AWK on October 19, 2016, 02:25:01 AM
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Then precipitate the SO4 with either Ca2+ or Pb2+
In gravimetric analysis rather Ba2+ is used.
Title: Re: Quantitative analysis of ionic solution
Post by: strewart on October 19, 2016, 09:09:47 AM
I would do a titration for silver. Or if you have modern equipment AAS or ICP.

A method something like this?
Reverse titration, known NaCl solution in flask, unknown Ag+ solution in burette, chromate indicator in flask. AgCl binds preferentially until Cl runs out, then indicator turns orange when silver chromate starts forming.

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Then precipitate the SO4 with either Ca2+ or Pb2+
In gravimetric analysis rather Ba2+ is used.

I will see if we have any, I suggested the others because we are much likely to have them.
Title: Re: Quantitative analysis of ionic solution
Post by: Borek on October 19, 2016, 03:37:48 PM
A method something like this?
Reverse titration, known NaCl solution in flask, unknown Ag+ solution in burette, chromate indicator in flask. AgCl binds preferentially until Cl runs out, then indicator turns orange when silver chromate starts forming.

Why reverse titration? Can't you just try a direct approach? And there is no need to invent your own method, determining silver is about as old as modern chemistry.

http://www.titrations.info/precipitation-titration-argentometry-chlorides-Mohr

(Note: direct Mohr method is for chlorides, but when titrating Ag+ with the NaCl everything that has been told there holds).
Title: Re: Quantitative analysis of ionic solution
Post by: strewart on October 19, 2016, 05:10:50 PM
A method something like this?
Reverse titration, known NaCl solution in flask, unknown Ag+ solution in burette, chromate indicator in flask. AgCl binds preferentially until Cl runs out, then indicator turns orange when silver chromate starts forming.

Why reverse titration? Can't you just try a direct approach? And there is no need to invent your own method, determining silver is about as old as modern chemistry.

http://www.titrations.info/precipitation-titration-argentometry-chlorides-Mohr

(Note: direct Mohr method is for chlorides, but when titrating Ag+ with the NaCl everything that has been told there holds).

Thanks for the link. Thats pretty much exactly the method I described anyway so good to see I was on the right track.