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Converting Concentrations
« on: August 10, 2010, 11:09:40 AM »
Hi, im having a problem converting between two concentrations, the concentration im given is in g / 100 cm^3 and i need to convert this into kg / m^3.

My attempt at converting it so far is as follows. For the first concentration i have 0.4 g/100cm^3 which is equal to 0.004 g/cm^3, if you then multiply this by a 1000 you get 4 kg/m^3.

Ive always found it really had to get my head around conversions so if anyone can give a description of how you would do it i would be really appreciated.

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Re: Converting Concentrations
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2010, 03:36:46 PM »
OK i just realized i was being a bit of a fool since g/100cm^3 = g/m^3 so dividing by 1000 gives kg/m^3

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Re: Converting Concentrations
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2010, 03:44:00 PM »
OK i just realized i was being a bit of a fool since g/100cm^3 = g/m^3 so dividing by 1000 gives kg/m^3


Not quite. 100 cm3 is not 1 m3.

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Re: Converting Concentrations
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2010, 04:48:15 PM »
Ok im really stuck with this ive spent hours trying to understand how to convert g/100cm^3 to kg/m^3 and im just not getting anywhere. Can anyone help my understand what to do? Many Thanks

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Re: Converting Concentrations
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2010, 05:35:34 PM »
Do it step by step using so called dimensional analysis.

Do you know how to cancel units?

Do you know that there are 1000g in 1 kg? In other words there is 1kg per 1000 g, so 1kg/1000g is our conversion factor, if you multiply

0.4 g/cm3 * 1 kg/1000g = 0.0004 kg/cm3

and that's the first correct step. Now convert cm3 to m3.
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Re: Converting Concentrations
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2010, 07:33:38 PM »
Ah i think i understand so to convert 100cm^3 to m^3 you would do

1cm3 = 1x10-6m3
100cm3 = 1x10-4m3

So in 100cm3 there are 1x10-4m3

Therefore

0.0004 kg/cm3 * 1m3 / 0.0001cm3 = 4 kg/m3

Is this correct? Thanks for the help it was much appreciated

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Re: Converting Concentrations
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2010, 08:40:40 PM »
Ok so ive had a go at another conversion problem to check im understanding what to do. The problem is convert 0.4 g/100cm3 to g/dm3 my solution is:

1dm3 = 1000cm3 so there is 1dm3 per 1000cm3

but since the origional units are in g/100cm3 the conversion factor is 1/(1000/100) = 0.1

therefore 0.4g/100cm3 * 0.1 = 0.04g/dm3

Is this correct? Thank You

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Re: Converting Concentrations
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2010, 02:49:55 AM »
1cm3 = 1x10-6m3
100cm3 = 1x10-4m3

Correct.

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So in 100cm3 there are 1x10-4m3

Correct, but not necessary. It is enough to know what you write earlier, there is 1m3 per 1000000cm3, so

100 cm3 = 100 cm3  * 1m3 / (1000000 cm3)

What we are doing is we multiply initial volume by the conversion factor. Conversion factor is constructed in such a way that is in fact equal 1, so multiplication doesn't change anything when it comes to the value, however, it has units selected in such a way that cm3 cancels out and we are left with m3 only:

100 cm3 = 100 cm3  * 1m3 / (1000000 cm3) = 100/1000000 m3 = 10-4 m3

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1m3 / 0.0001cm3

See above, this conversion factor is incorrect. Plus, it goes in the wrong direction - check what units is your answer in (cancel units and check what is left).

but since the origional units are in g/100cm3

I would say original units are g/cm3, 100 was a volume. It is possible to proceed as you are proposing (that is assume 100 cm3 should be treated as entity) but it is easier and safer to not to.
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Re: Converting Concentrations
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2010, 04:46:12 AM »
Ok so ive had a go at another conversion problem to check im understanding what to do. The problem is convert 0.4 g/100cm3 to g/dm3 my solution is:

1dm3 = 1000cm3 so there is 1dm3 per 1000cm3

but since the origional units are in g/100cm3 the conversion factor is 1/(1000/100) = 0.1

therefore 0.4g/100cm3 * 0.1 = 0.04g/dm3

Is this correct? Thank You

No it is wrong.

If there are 0.4g in 100cm3 and 1 dm3 = 1000cm3 will there be 10times more or less in 1dm3 compared with 100cm3?  Now look at your answer.

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Re: Converting Concentrations
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2010, 06:25:23 AM »
Ah so to convert from 100cm3 to m3 the conversion factor is 100cm3 * 1m3/1000000cm3 the cm3 cancel and you are left with 100/1000000 = x10-4m3 therefore 0.0004 kg/100cm3 would be 4x10-8kg/m3

and for the second problem, converting g/100cm3 to g/dm3 the conversion factor would be
1dm3 = 10cm3
so 100cm3 = 100cm3 * 1dm3 / 10cm3 = 10
therefor 0.4g/100cm3 = 4g/dm3

Is this correct?
Thanks for the help

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Re: Converting Concentrations
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2010, 07:32:41 AM »
Ah so to convert from 100cm3 to m3 the conversion factor is 100cm3 * 1m3/1000000cm3 the cm3 cancel and you are left with 100/1000000 = x10-4m3 therefore 0.0004 kg/100cm3 would be 4x10-8kg/m3

No. While you are right 100 cm3 is 10-4 m3, you then multiply by the volume, instead of dividing.

0.4g
----
100cm3

We need two conversion factors, g -> kg

1kg
------
1000g

and cm3 -> m3

1m3
-------------
1000000cm3

and conversion looks like

0.4g x 1kg x 1000000cm3
--------------------------
100cm3 x 1000g x 1m3

g and cm3 cancels out. At this stage JUST CALCULATE the value, no further steps required.

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1dm3 = 10cm3

No, 1 dm3 is not 10 cm3 (just like 1 m3 is not 100 cm3)
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Re: Converting Concentrations
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2010, 08:39:26 AM »
Ok so for the conversion from 0.4g/100cm3 you get this which cancels down to

0.4g x 1kg x 1000000cm3
--------------------------
100cm3 x 1000g x 1m3

Which gives 0.4 x 10 x kg / m3 or 40 kg/m3

so for the conversion of g/100cm3 to g/dm3

you only need one conversion factor which is cm3 to dm3

1dm3
---------
1000cm3

so the conversion is

0.4g x 1000cm3
---------------
100cm3 x 1dm3

giving 0.4g x 10 / dm3 or 4 g/dm3

Does this make more sense?
Sorry its taking so long for mt to grasp this, thank you for the help

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Re: Converting Concentrations
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2010, 04:23:46 PM »
Which gives 0.4 x 10 x kg / m3 or 40 kg/m3

Sorry this should be 4kg/m3

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Re: Converting Concentrations
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2010, 04:48:20 PM »
Twice OK.

Unless I am wrong, I am too tired to think clearly.
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Re: Converting Concentrations
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2010, 05:00:21 PM »
Thank you so much for your help i used your method to do a couple of eample questions and got the correct answers so i think its all good :)

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