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Solutions problem
« on: August 15, 2009, 12:31:00 PM »
1.If we get in 200g NaHSO4(aq), 200g of Na2CO3(aq) then mass of produced solution will be 395.6g, if we do the same thing just in different timetable (In Na2CO3 we put NaHSO4) then mass of produced solution will be 397.8. What are mass percentages of start solutions ? % of Na2CO3 and % of  NaHSO4 ?
I don't have idea for solving this :S
 Na2CO3+NaHSO4  sholdn't give anything right?So, where does this 4.4 and 2.2 grams go?!

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Re: Solutions problem
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2009, 12:49:03 PM »
Another nice question!

Na2CO3+NaHSO4  sholdn't give anything right?So, where does this 4.4 and 2.2 grams go?!

No, there are some acid-base reactions that can happen - the order of addition is critical to the equilibria you get!
The mass you lose escapes as a gas....

Don't have time to explain fully now, have a think about it - really good question!

Hint: The limiting reagent in each case depends on the order of addition
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Re: Solutions problem
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2009, 04:22:01 PM »
Maybe like this:
Na2CO3+2NaHSO4-->2Na2SO4+H2O+CO2  ???
Hmm I started like this, tell me if it's good start :)
400-395.6=4.4g this should be mass of CO2 so If 120g(Mr (NaHSO4)) gives 44 grams of CO2 then x gives 4.4 grams and This means that x=12 that means that there was 12 grams of NaHSO4 and at the same way we can calculate mass of NaCO3 y=10.6 grams
Well can you tell me am I suppose to product this 120 with 2 because there are 2NaHSO4 in eq. ?Am I suppose to do this when I do Stoichiometric calculation?
So if I product with 2 then x=24, y=10.6 if not than it's x=12 and y=10.6
But I don't see how to find limiting reactant!?
Lets go on with exercise and see what're we going to get:
Now difference of masses is 400-397.8=2.2 g of CO2
So:
x=6 y=5.3 if we don't product with 2 and If we do hen x=12 and y=5.3  :)
I don't see next step really :)
Trying to figure out who is limitting reactant by using logic If there is more CO2 ,,lost,, when we add Na2CO3 that has to mean that than more Na2CO3 is used in reaction so assuming that I think that limiting reactant is Na2CO3 that means that in excess is NaHSO4 am I right?!  ???

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Re: Solutions problem
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2009, 07:08:40 AM »
OK, I would work in moles rather than grams and then convert back at the end, it's less confusing (at least for me). Consider the following reactions:

NaHSO4 + Na2CO3 <------> Na2SO4 + NaHCO3 [equation1]

NaHSO4 + NaHCO3 -----> Na2SO4 + CO2 + H2O [equation 2]

Conceptually, if you have a solution of sodium hydrogen sulfate and add sodium carbonate to it then the sulfate is always in excess (until it has all reacted). Equation 2 will only happen if there is hydrogen sulfate present in the solution (ie acidic conditions). Under these conditions you will form the maximum amount carbon dioxide, 4.4 g or 0.1 mol.

If you do it the other way round, and add the hydrogen sulfate to the carbonate (basic conditions), only equation 1 will be happening until all of the sodium carbonate has been protonated (changed into hydrogen carbonate). Once you have added enough of the hydrogen sulfate then equation 2 will start happening and you generate 2.2g or 0.05 mol of carbon dioxide.
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