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Title: Need help finding mass with gas laws
Post by: Mr.2007 on June 02, 2007, 12:32:31 PM
The question is

What is the mass, in grams, of 125mL of CO2 at STP
Title: Re: Need help finding mass with gas laws
Post by: Borek on June 02, 2007, 12:51:16 PM
pV=nRT

Google ideal gas volume at STP
Title: Re: Need help finding mass with gas laws
Post by: Mr.2007 on June 02, 2007, 01:04:41 PM
^^^ can you be more specific like what steps i need to go through because im completely lost
Title: Re: Need help finding mass with gas laws
Post by: Borek on June 02, 2007, 02:12:20 PM
volume -> number of moles -> mass

1 mole of ideal gas at STP has always the same volume - you will find this value with Google in no time.
Title: Re: Need help finding mass with gas laws
Post by: Mr.2007 on June 02, 2007, 03:25:57 PM
i found that 1 mole of an ideal gas at stp is 22.4L what do i do next
Title: Re: Need help finding mass with gas laws
Post by: enahs on June 02, 2007, 03:38:48 PM
i found that 1 mole of an ideal gas at stp is 22.4L what do i do next

Nothing. Borek was drunk.

In the Ideal Gas Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideal_gas_law)
PV=nRT

You know P (pressure), V (volume), R (gas constant) and T (temperature)
The Pressure and Temperature come from the fact that it is given at STP (Standard Temperature and Pressure).

Solve for n (number of moles) and then convert from moles to grams.

You just have to get your units correct, and make sure to use the appropriate gas constant for those units, when solving for n.
Title: Re: Need help finding mass with gas laws
Post by: Borek on June 02, 2007, 04:02:02 PM
i found that 1 mole of an ideal gas at stp is 22.4L what do i do next

You have 125 mL (or 0.125 L) of gas, and you know 1 mole occupies 22.4 L. Can you calculate number of moles of gas from these data?
Title: Re: Need help finding mass with gas laws
Post by: Mr.2007 on June 02, 2007, 04:41:41 PM
i found that 1 mole of an ideal gas at stp is 22.4L what do i do next

Nothing. Borek was drunk.

In the Ideal Gas Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideal_gas_law)
PV=nRT

You know P (pressure), V (volume), R (gas constant) and T (temperature)
The Pressure and Temperature come from the fact that it is given at STP (Standard Temperature and Pressure).

Solve for n (number of moles) and then convert from moles to grams.

You just have to get your units correct, and make sure to use the appropriate gas constant for those units, when solving for n.


ok how do i solve for n
Title: Re: Need help finding mass with gas laws
Post by: Mr.2007 on June 02, 2007, 04:45:12 PM
do i use

P * V / R* T = n


Title: Re: Need help finding mass with gas laws
Post by: enahs on June 02, 2007, 04:46:58 PM
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ok how do i solve for n
Basic algebra.

PV = nRT

If you divide both sides by RT, you get

PV = n
RT


You actually could work it borkes way with ratios, as well. But since you clearly need algebra practice, I would work it this way!

http://www.intmath.com/Basic-algebra/Basic-algebra-intro.php
http://library.thinkquest.org/20991/prealg/eq.html
http://www.mathleague.com/help/algebra/algebra.htm

*edit*
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do i use

P * V / R* T = n

Yes. You submitted that post while I was typing mine! :)
Title: Re: Need help finding mass with gas laws
Post by: Mr.2007 on June 02, 2007, 04:53:33 PM
were do i get R from is it 0.0821
Title: Re: Need help finding mass with gas laws
Post by: Mr.2007 on June 02, 2007, 04:54:52 PM
and for volume do i use

125mL or 0.125L
Title: Re: Need help finding mass with gas laws
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 02, 2007, 05:07:54 PM
In general, for ideal gas law problems you will use R = 0.0821 L*atm/mol*K.  If you use this form, then your volume must be in L, your pressure must be in atm, and your temperature must be in K for the units to cancel correctly.
Title: Re: Need help finding mass with gas laws
Post by: Mr.2007 on June 02, 2007, 05:28:31 PM
ok so i did

1 atm * 0.125 L
_____________        = 415.9
0.0821 * 273.15 K

so now do i convert 415.9 mol to grams
Title: Re: Need help finding mass with gas laws
Post by: Borek on June 02, 2007, 05:39:39 PM
If 1 mole occupies 22.4 L, is it possible that 0.125 L of gas is over 400 moles? Or should it be just a fraction of mole?
Title: Re: Need help finding mass with gas laws
Post by: constant thinker on June 04, 2007, 08:29:43 PM
ok so i did

1 atm * 0.125 L
_____________        = 415.9
0.0821 * 273.15 K

so now do i convert 415.9 mol to grams

Check your math. I got 0.00557 mol using those numbers. Then after that you would go to grams.