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bit of trouble with this question on isomers of butan-1-ol
« on: March 02, 2010, 02:56:31 PM »
hi, i'm having a bit of trouble with a question:

give the structures and names of two branched chain alcohols which are both isomers of butan-1-ol. only isomer 1 is oxidised when warmed with acidified potassium dichromate (VI).



Isomer 1 Name...




(diagram of structure)





Isomer 2 Name.....




(diagram of structure)





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so far all i can guess is that one isomer will be an E isomer adn one a Z... but i'm not entirely sure.. please point me in the right direction or give me the answer please!

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Re: bit of trouble with this question on isomers of butan-1-ol
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2010, 04:17:01 PM »
How many isomers of butan-1-ol do you know?

How many are alcohols?

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Re: bit of trouble with this question on isomers of butan-1-ol
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2010, 04:51:13 PM »
i dont know how you work that out i just know you have E / Z isomers.. can u help ?

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Re: bit of trouble with this question on isomers of butan-1-ol
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2010, 11:56:46 AM »
Sorry if this is too late - I've only just come across it.

This is nothing to do with E/Z isomerism.  That only happens if you have a "locked" molecule, for example with a C=C double bond.

This is about structural isomerism and the reactions of primary, secondary and tertiary alcohols.  You are looking for structural isomers of butan-1-ol.  You could read the Chemguide page http://www.chemguide.co.uk/basicorg/isomerism/structural.html .  The butanol isomers are discussed about 2/3 of the way down the page, but you really ought to read the rest as well.

Then you need to think about how the different kinds of alcohols react (or not) with acidified potassium dichromate(VI) solution.  For that, you could look at http://www.chemguide.co.uk/organicprops/alcohols/oxidation.html

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Re: bit of trouble with this question on isomers of butan-1-ol
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2010, 12:23:19 PM »
Heard of butan-1-ol and butan-2-ol?
"Say you're in a [chemical] plant and there's a snake on the floor. What are you going to do? Call a consultant? Get a meeting together to talk about which color is the snake? Employees should do one thing: walk over there and you step on the friggin� snake." - Jean-Pierre Garnier, CEO of Glaxosmithkline, June 2006

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Re: bit of trouble with this question on isomers of butan-1-ol
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2010, 06:24:49 PM »
As a general approach to "generating" isomers within the same homologous group I do the following steps

1. Make as many distinct carbon chains as possible. This means start with the straight chain then introduce branches and side chains. Single C-C bonds can take pretty much any angle in a rough structural diagram and still remain the same molecule. Also rotation about a C-C bond will allow side chains and groups to appear to be in new positions in the diagram where they actually represent the same molecule

2. Place the non-CH groups such as -OH in as many different positions on the chains created in 1. above as possible. Obviously as the number of groups increase there are more potential permutations of position on the chain created in 1.

3. Swap some of the atoms in the groups to create new groups such as converting an -OH to a C=O. Check the molecular formula is still correct and do step 2 again

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