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Offline Lisa_G

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mechanisms and structures for final reactions
« on: April 01, 2008, 01:12:15 PM »
hi, im having a little trouble with the following questions, any help would be really appreciated
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Re: mechanisms and structures for final reactions
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2008, 01:56:20 PM »
(b) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acylation

Please try these reactions.

(c)
(i) nitration
(ii) nitration

Review meta vs ortho/para directors.

(iii) http://www.organic-chemistry.org/namedreactions/azo-coupling.shtm
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Re: mechanisms and structures for final reactions
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2008, 07:05:30 PM »
thanks for that help, what ive come to is

part c
i) o/p-chloronitrobenzene
ii) o/p nitro
iii) first intermeidate is the diazonium salt. It couples para to the OMe to give a diphenyldiazo compound (aryl-N=N-aryl).

does that look right

not got round to part b yet

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Re: mechanisms and structures for final reactions
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2008, 12:30:18 AM »
(c) looks good. in both cases which is more preferred ortho or para?
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Re: mechanisms and structures for final reactions
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2008, 02:55:30 AM »
Am I misremembering that friedel crafts acylation/alkylation will only happen on an activated ring, and the acyl group on the ring deactivates it towards electrophilic substitution?

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Re: mechanisms and structures for final reactions
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2008, 11:12:27 AM »
Am I misremembering that friedel crafts acylation/alkylation will only happen on an activated ring, and the acyl group on the ring deactivates it towards electrophilic substitution?

Yea this is true.  But those are Friedel-Craft reagents, probably not a high yield reaction.
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Re: mechanisms and structures for final reactions
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2008, 12:31:35 PM »
yeh i think it would be low yeild and most likely i believe they should be on the para positions

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Re: mechanisms and structures for final reactions
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2008, 02:58:11 PM »
Yea this is true.  But those are Friedel-Craft reagents, probably not a high yield reaction.
Right, but I was implying that substitution at the meta position shouldn't even really happen in any meaningful yield.  Maybe I learned incorrectly, or maybe when my professor said "doesn't happen", he really meant, is not favored...*shrug*

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Re: mechanisms and structures for final reactions
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2008, 09:31:00 PM »
Macman, check some similar reactions in the literature.  Friedel-Craft reactions typically work just not always selectively and in good yields.  Many times professors present only good reactions (high yield, selective) especially in introductory organic.
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