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Title: Reaction with LiAlH4
Post by: a confused chiral girl on May 30, 2007, 09:12:47 PM
HI~

I am a bit confused about this question, because NaBH4 reduces aldehydes as well as ketones into alcohols. However, in these choices, there changes all the double bond to O into OH. I am thinking about choice #2, but the O on the aldehyde is not reduced though...please help  :)
thanks~~
Title: Re: Reaction with LiAlH4
Post by: kiwi on May 30, 2007, 10:46:24 PM
unless they specify somethng tricky like substoichometric amounts of NaBH4, reduction will occur at both centres
Title: Re: Reaction with LiAlH4
Post by: Custos on May 30, 2007, 11:02:26 PM
The aldehyde would reduces slightly easier but both would go. So you would get (1) first and that would proceed through to (3)
Title: Re: Reaction with LiAlH4
Post by: movies on May 31, 2007, 12:18:27 AM
Heh, this is a bit of a trick question!!

I think you would get 2 first because the beta-ketoaldehyde is almost never in the keto-keto tautomer.  It will be almost completely enolized toward the aldehyde!
Title: Re: Reaction with LiAlH4
Post by: Custos on May 31, 2007, 01:58:35 AM
Yes, of course. I remember following the prep of a beta-ketoaldehyde oxime once and being surprised that the oxime formed at the ketone almost exclusively.

The final outcome is the same with excess borohydride though right?
Title: Re: Reaction with LiAlH4
Post by: a confused chiral girl on May 31, 2007, 02:04:28 AM
Heh, this is a bit of a trick question!!

I think you would get 2 first because the beta-ketoaldehyde is almost never in the keto-keto tautomer.  It will be almost completely enolized toward the aldehyde!

Yes! I thought it was tricky too!!  ;D because if we use LiAlH4, then we know for sure that both aldehyde and ketone would react to form alcohol, since LiAlH4 is strong. That's why I was a bit unsure that the ketone would get reduced as well~

so the aldehyde CHO gets reduced to CH2OH right? and the ketone to OH~