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Title: periodic elements table with samples
Post by: MManuel on November 18, 2009, 01:23:58 PM
Hi to all!

I'm looking for a gift.
It's a periodic elements table, but it isn't normal :D
For each element, there is a sample.

I'm not able to find it. Anyone can help me?
Title: Re: periodic elements table with samples
Post by: MManuel on November 19, 2009, 10:05:49 AM
But does a thing like this exist, in your knowledge?
Title: Re: periodic elements table with samples
Post by: billnotgatez on November 19, 2009, 10:30:35 AM
There are people that participate here past and present that collect elements as a hobby. They have stated that some of the elements they have are extremely hard to contain. I would not expect that you would get a present like the one you are interested in very easily if not at all.
Title: Re: periodic elements table with samples
Post by: Borek on November 19, 2009, 10:50:15 AM
I remember reading about a set that contained samples of all (?) elements - it was sold back in fifties or sixties and I believe it shows now and again on eBay. I suppose it can be googled, or Theodore Gray site will have some information about it. But could be I made it from some unrelated scraps of info.

Edit: nah, at first sight seems like TG site doesn't have anything on it.
Title: Re: periodic elements table with samples
Post by: renge ishyo on November 19, 2009, 12:44:26 PM
I got this set here years ago when it cost only about $600:

http://www.element-collection.com/index2.htm

As you can see the price has ballooned considerably since that time (it's about 4K now  :o).
Title: Re: periodic elements table with samples
Post by: 408 on November 19, 2009, 01:44:51 PM
Building your own is pretty much the only way to go.  That is what I did.  Give up on any of the radioactive ones other than U, Th, Po though.
Title: Re: periodic elements table with samples
Post by: MManuel on November 19, 2009, 02:08:03 PM
WOOW!
It's very very very expensive O_O
Title: Re: periodic elements table with samples
Post by: cth on November 19, 2009, 03:51:26 PM
I got this set here years ago when it cost only about $600:

http://www.element-collection.com/index2.htm

As you can see the price has ballooned considerably since that time (it's about 4K now  :o).

It even contains promethium.  ???
It won't be a lifelong gift for that element.
Title: Re: periodic elements table with samples
Post by: renge ishyo on November 19, 2009, 04:37:19 PM
There are places you can go to get a starter set that are much less expensive (but still pricey!). For example:

http://www.elementsales.com/

This site sells a set of 30 elements for $200 or at their largest you can get a set of 76 elements for $700 (plus the main elements you are missing from this set are the group I metals which aren't so hard to track down). They also sell wall-mounted display cases, and it is here where you will spend the large amount of the money. For instance, getting the 30 piece set is $200 for the elements and $500 (!) for the display case. As 408 said, in the end it is best to go the homemade route for the display case. To be honest, as someone that has this, the set of the elements isn't that exciting to look at either. Almost all of the metals look just like that, grey metals with only a few like copper, gold, cesium, and mercury that appear unique and interesting. The non-metals are even less interesting...they are about as fun to look at as an empty vial (which, in fact, is what you will see without applying instruments). Though the coin collection on the above site looks very cool I must admit  ;)

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It won't be a lifelong gift for that element.

Nor for other unstable elements such as Astatine. For these collections what you usually do is include a rock that contains the element in question as part of the decay series for elements in that rock (so at any one time, maybe an atom of what you are looking at is astatine in the astatine vial). None of the very unstable elements can survive as pure sources for a periodic table (time is cruel to collectionists!). Getting any of the elements above Uranium is pointless too; what you are looking at a month from now will contain practically nothing of the element it purports to display.