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Title: TiO2 Decomposing paper
Post by: dative on February 20, 2012, 09:13:46 AM
I'm trying to create paper that would rapidly decompose and become a sort of compost in an outdoor environment. Would TiO2 be a way of doing this? It's for a design project I'm working on.

I'm not a chemistry student so forgive me if this is an obvious question.
Title: Re: TiO2 Decomposing paper
Post by: Honclbrif on February 20, 2012, 09:18:20 AM
I think a lot of paper already contains titanium dioxide as an optical brightener.
Title: Re: TiO2 Decomposing paper
Post by: discodermolide on February 20, 2012, 09:27:59 AM
I'm trying to create paper that would rapidly decompose and become a sort of compost in an outdoor environment. Would TiO2 be a way of doing this? It's for a design project I'm working on.

I'm not a chemistry student so forgive me if this is an obvious question.

I doubt that TiO2 is biodegradable.
Title: Re: TiO2 Decomposing paper
Post by: dative on February 20, 2012, 09:41:21 AM
This is what I'm basing it on. Thought I would ask some professionals if it has any truth. http://www.creativitypool.com/viewtopic.php?t=3759
I would probably be using newspaper pulp and then adding it.
Title: Re: TiO2 Decomposing paper
Post by: DrCMS on February 20, 2012, 09:58:28 AM
I think a lot of paper already contains titanium dioxide as an optical brightener.

No, titanium dioxide is a white pigment.  Optical brighteners are orgainic dyes that absorb UV and then re-emit visible light,  see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_Brightening_Agent
Title: Re: TiO2 Decomposing paper
Post by: billnotgatez on February 20, 2012, 10:51:56 AM
here is a link discussing coatings on paper

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coated_paper
Title: Re: TiO2 Decomposing paper
Post by: dative on February 20, 2012, 11:01:49 AM
Okay so Titanium Dioxide isn't a viable method.

Can you think of any way of doing this? Or possibly a flat thin material that's relatively cheap that would work?
Title: Re: TiO2 Decomposing paper
Post by: Arkcon on February 20, 2012, 11:06:11 AM
Specifically, how is paper not biodegradable?  Moist paper softens, and there are microorganisms that can decompose cellulose.  Do you want trash to disappear in urban environments more rapidly?
Title: Re: TiO2 Decomposing paper
Post by: dative on February 20, 2012, 11:15:55 AM
I understand that it's biodegradeable but not rapidly. In a moist area it still takes anywhere from two to four weeks. Is there any way to speed up the process? Or a material that would decompose more rapidly?
Title: Re: TiO2 Decomposing paper
Post by: dative on February 20, 2012, 11:36:34 AM
Plus it would be handy if it acted as some sort of nutrition for a plant but thats probably a pipedream.
Title: Re: TiO2 Decomposing paper
Post by: billnotgatez on February 20, 2012, 12:23:43 PM
But, then the packaging would last only a very short while on the shelf.
That would lead to a very high waste that would be added to land fills
not to mention the cost of the product would be very high

They are now using more paper packaging in an effort to diminish the effect of the plastic packaging

I read a science fiction short story once in which they invented bacteria that would digest plastic in the land fills. But, it got loose and started eating everything in plastic. Things like cars, TVs etc. were not immune. Talk about unintended consequences.

What would you do not to cause unintended consequences in your paper decomposition scheme.


Title: Re: TiO2 Decomposing paper
Post by: typhoon2028 on February 20, 2012, 01:14:05 PM
TiO2 + UV light
Title: Re: TiO2 Decomposing paper
Post by: Honclbrif on February 20, 2012, 02:56:18 PM
Perhaps the paper could be impregnated with cellulase?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulase

Don't know how stable or active it would be upon rehydration though.
Title: Re: TiO2 Decomposing paper
Post by: dative on February 23, 2012, 08:50:34 AM
I think there is some misunderstanding of what I'm intending to do. I'm trying to create a sustainable poster created out of recycled newspaper and impregnated with a seed, which would then be ripped off a wall and buried. The paper would hopefully rapidly decompose and give the seed fuel to hopefully grow into a tree. Although I have no real knowledge on the subject it seems plausible to me that if I create recycled paper (which will have been completely broken down, so that no fibres remain connected) it will break down in soil relatively quickly. I was just wondering if there was maybe some way to speed the process up, and because I've heard paper isn't brilliant compost, some way I could enhance its nutritional benefits. It seems reasonable to think that there's probably a better substance to use that I could apply text to (not necessarily through a standard printing method).
Title: Re: TiO2 Decomposing paper
Post by: Arkcon on February 23, 2012, 09:57:41 AM
Well, there already exist peat plant pots.  You plant a seed or cutting into it, the seed grows, when you see the roots protrude, you bury the pot.  The plant continues to rip the pot apart as it grows, its earliest roots are protected from the surrounding soil.

So lets see what we have so far.  You start with previously recycled paper, of course.  The recycling process results in some shortened fibers, so it will have to be thicker.  You don't bleach the paper, so the fibers will be more visible.  Now you have an odd looking poster stock.  You use soy inks, which may lack some vibrancy, but are perfectly biodegradable (I guess, I don't really know.)  So this is a kinda tacky looking poster, but that's cool, now it has an eco-hippy-look for extra cache.  You embed a seed, and let people know when the poster is done with to plant the poster.  If the poster isn't too big, they can bury it, and the plant will grow.

Your TiO2 plan, as I understand how it works from some information I can Google, will only oxidize dispersed particles, while the TiO2 is itself dispersed as nanoparticles, and only under intense UV, not while buried.

As for a plant nutrient.  That's a kinda tough one.  First of all, you can't store much.  Second of all, exposure to water will cause it to leach away, if the nutrients are very soluble.  A sprouting seed doesn't really need fertilizer, and the tiny amount you include will be gone by the time its really needed.  You might as well for forget that bit.  Its really enough that the paper will help hold water and provide some extra porosity to the soil.

You might want to consider the eco-consiousess carefully.  What plant seed are you going to include?  Just about any plant can be considered "invasive" depending on the locale.
Title: Re: TiO2 Decomposing paper
Post by: Enthalpy on February 23, 2012, 10:13:57 AM
Seducing idea. After being the seed of wisdom, your paper shall be the seed of a tree.

I suppose normal paper contains preservatives to prevent it rotting, so could the same paper without these preservatives degrade more quickly?

I'm not quite sure cellulose (paper) is the interesting material in compost. Vegetables tend to create their cellulose by themselves; it's my very limited understanding that compost is a method to put the minerals back into the soil, not necessarily the organic materials.

If you bury the paper, Sunlight won't reach it, but I believe TiO2 only helps light action.

Could you decompose the paper above the soil first, then bury it? This is how compost is done, and without water accumulation. Since the decomposition process is biological rather than chemical, you might better add some living organism instead of molecules.

A small bag containing germs of the worms that eat the paper, and seeds for the tree that eats the compost? That would propose an active participation to a newspaper reader!

Or what about a support less transformed than paper is? A kind of papyrus, made of braided grass blades, but less charged with preservatives so it decomposes like normal grass would? You could even keep the seeds from the original grass.

Sisal is used in gardens as a rope. It's flat, strong, and takes a year of rain and Sunlight to break.

Here I have mandrels for toilet paper that can be thrown into the toilets. They disintegrate in water within minutes. Their glue must be water-soluble, maybe starch. But this is not biodegradation nor recycling, as cellulose remains intact though separated in small fibres.
Title: Re: TiO2 Decomposing paper
Post by: fledarmus on February 23, 2012, 10:15:39 AM
Are you talking about something like this?

http://www.flowerseedpaper.com/seeds/planting_guide.html (http://www.flowerseedpaper.com/seeds/planting_guide.html)