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Title: Acid/Base Wash after Hydrolysis
Post by: AlphaScent on November 06, 2012, 10:18:28 AM
I hydrolyzed compound 1 to compound 2.  TLC is not showing what I would have liked.  There is movement of compound 2 in a 2:1 hexane/EA and cannot be distinguished from compound 1.  My boss and I were talking and he wants me to wash in 5% KOH and then extract with ether.  Then wash with 1 N HCL until acidic.  I think this is ok, but does anyone have any advice?

Title: Re: Acid/Base Wash after Hydrolysis
Post by: AlphaScent on November 06, 2012, 10:19:33 AM
re-crystallization is the purification method, but may be tricky due to impurities
Title: Re: Acid/Base Wash after Hydrolysis
Post by: discodermolide on November 06, 2012, 10:32:11 AM
What you have done here is a transesterification, i.e. replace the ethyl ester with the methyl ester. To do a hydrolysis of the ester you must have water present. Why not just reflux in aqueous KOH?
Title: Re: Acid/Base Wash after Hydrolysis
Post by: AlphaScent on November 06, 2012, 10:42:43 AM
I understand a transesterification is possible.  My professor says that it should go to the carboxylic acid.  I had the same question, and this is why I believe I am washing with aq. KOH.
Title: Re: Acid/Base Wash after Hydrolysis
Post by: discodermolide on November 06, 2012, 10:46:18 AM
That will not be enough. I would warm it gently to about 40°C with the KOH/water then work up as usual.

Transesterification is more than possible, it is definite. As I said to hydrolyse an ester you require the presence of water if you are going to do it with a base like KOH.
Title: Re: Acid/Base Wash after Hydrolysis
Post by: AlphaScent on November 06, 2012, 12:36:51 PM
Upon acidification it would yield methyl ester I suppose.  I assume that is why he wanted me to do a base/acid wash.  I am going ahead and gently heating.  Then extracting with ether and washing with 1N HCl.  Get back to you in a few hours.
Title: Re: Acid/Base Wash after Hydrolysis
Post by: discodermolide on November 06, 2012, 12:44:09 PM
Just follow the progress by TLC. Then work-up when all the SM is gone.
Title: Re: Acid/Base Wash after Hydrolysis
Post by: AlphaScent on November 07, 2012, 11:02:06 AM
It worked and t seems my boss agrees with me (you) that it is better just to hydrolyze in water.  He kept saying you need to add sodium methoxide for it to form the methyl ester.  The TLC plate below was run 2:1 EA to hexanes.  Thanks again, you are always a help disco!!
Title: Re: Acid/Base Wash after Hydrolysis
Post by: discodermolide on November 07, 2012, 11:03:35 AM
Well done on a complete reaction ;D