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Title: water monitoring - saltwater reef tank
Post by: jeremyrutman on July 02, 2020, 07:29:29 AM
I have a reef fish tank (saltwater) I'm setting up and see that there's a number of water parameters people monitor . I'd prefer having an online monitor rather than hand-checking with reagent bottles, so I found I can monitor ammonia in gas and alkalinity in water with  cheap meters; for nitrate/nitrite it seems I'd need a spectrometer.
Are there cheap spectrometers (like 200$ or less) to be had that would let me check nitrate (which has a 200nm-220nm absorption, apparently)?
Alternatively is there another approach to this?
 
Things to monitor in fish tank water:
ammonia 
alkalinity   
nirate
nitrite
Phosphate
calcium
magnesium
ph
Title: Re: water monitoring - saltwater reef tank
Post by: Corribus on July 02, 2020, 12:51:08 PM
Even a basic model (single wavelength) Visible spectrometer will probably run you a few thousand dollars if you buy it new. UV capability will add a lot of cost because you need an additional light source. You may be able to find an old, used model on the cheap but 200$ or less may be a stiff ask.

Keep in mind that the analysis isn't as simple as it sounds and you won't be able to ditch the reagents completely. If you want a concentration, you'll have to maintain a series of concentration standards. You'll also need to do some method development to ensure there are no interferences.

If you have no background in chemistry, this may be a challenging analysis to get going.
Title: Re: water monitoring - saltwater reef tank
Post by: jeremyrutman on July 03, 2020, 10:54:17 AM
From this manual here  (http://here https://pubs.usgs.gov/tm/01/d5/pdf/tm1d5.pdf) I got some pointers  - it seems I only need a few wavelengths e.g. 220nm and 340nm which I can detect with diodes like  this  (http://www.geni-uv.com/download/products/GFUV-T10GD-L_specsheet_rev1.0.pdf) .  The light source can also apparently (https://pasteboard.co/JfX5VGx.png) be a cheap xenon lamp , avoiding the 50$ for a deuterium lamp. I was thinking I cold increase athe pathlength for higher sensitivity but the extinction is already around 99% at 10cm pathlength for the levels I am anticipating (5-10ppm) .
So for nitrate and nitrate it looks like I have a decent plan. I imagine the elements (Mg, Ca)  and phosphate will be tougher but apparently those are less crucial than ammonia and nitrate.
nitrate absorption curves  (http://nitrate absorption curves https://pasteboard.co/JfWWsOE.png)