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Chemistry Forums for Students => Undergraduate General Chemistry Forum => Topic started by: Meter on January 03, 2022, 08:52:21 AM

Title: How does perchloric acid react with piperidine?
Post by: Meter on January 03, 2022, 08:52:21 AM

Hi.

I was wondering how this reaction would evolve.

Is it simply:

ClO₃OH  + C₅H₁₁N :rarrow: [C₅H₁₁NH]⁺ + 2 O₂ + Cl^-

Title: Re: How does perchloric acid react with piperidine?
Post by: Borek on January 03, 2022, 11:08:30 AM

And not just protonated piperidine and ClO₄^-?

Title: Re: How does perchloric acid react with piperidine?
Post by: Meter on January 03, 2022, 11:19:14 AM

Quote from: Borek on January 03, 2022, 11:08:30 AM

And not just protonated piperidine and ClO₄^-?

Some context: I'm grading some reports where this reaction occurs, and several of my students wrote it as this without citing any reference. My initial guess was also what you wrote, but I was wondering if something strange happened when working with such strong acids.

Title: Re: How does perchloric acid react with piperidine?
Post by: wildfyr on January 03, 2022, 11:21:43 AM

perchlorate salts are usually pretty stable...