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Title: Which reactions are taking place?
Post by: cogujada on March 10, 2023, 03:54:06 AM

If you could, please, put the reactions of one solutions, I could probably deduct the reactions for the other one.
It may seem I have not tried, but i'm chemical engeineer and I'm currently substituting a physical chemist, and I'm no where near his knowlegde in mechanisms, reactions, etc. I've tried to deduct myself the reactions, but I'm not going anywhere (I think).
What I've read is that probably the complex Zn4O(CH3COO)6 will be formed, but I don't know what is the propper reaction. Also acetic anhydride will form, but I also don't know how...
Could someone help me please...
Thanks!
Title: Re: Which reactions are taking place?
Post by: Hunter2 on March 10, 2023, 04:17:34 AM
What I am missing is, that if a ZnO gel should be formed, that no addition of Hydroxide was down. So you have only the zink acetate in your gel. The ethanolamine is alcaline and keeps Zn in solution, but I think its to less to form the Oxide.
Title: Re: Which reactions are taking place?
Post by: cogujada on March 10, 2023, 04:53:38 AM
And the methoxyethanol?
Title: Re: Which reactions are taking place?
Post by: Hunter2 on March 10, 2023, 04:55:28 AM
Methoxyethanol also called Methylglycolether is only solvent.
Title: Re: Which reactions are taking place?
Post by: cogujada on March 10, 2023, 05:02:53 AM
Hmmm what I can confirm is that a gel was formed... I really don't know if there is OH missing.
What I can also confirm is that numerous autors have used this method to form a ZnO sol-gel
Title: Re: Which reactions are taking place?
Post by: cogujada on March 10, 2023, 05:44:47 AM
Methoxyethanol also called Methylglycolether is only solvent.

I've been thinking, what do you think about this?

Zinc Acetate dihydrate hydrolizes:
Zn(CH3COOH)2 + H2O  :rarrow: Zn(OH)2 + 2CH3COOH
Then, both methoxyethanol and monoethanolamine condensate
Then we have a transesterification reaction between methoxyethanol and monoethanolamine (which have condensed previously)
Finally, we have a reaction of the zinc hydroxide with the compounds formed in the previous stage (transesterification), forming ZnO in a organic sol-gel matrix. Because I heat the solution, that organic matrix progressively evaporates, leaving a more viscous gel.

Do I have any stage correct?
Title: Re: Which reactions are taking place?
Post by: Hunter2 on March 10, 2023, 06:16:19 AM
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Zinc Acetate dihydrate hydrolizes:
Zn(CH3COOH)2 + H2O  :rarrow: Zn(OH)2 + 2CH3COOH]
Need alcaline environment.  Is  ethanolamin strong enough?
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Then, both methoxyethanol and monoethanolamine condensate
Then we have a transesterification reaction between methoxyethanol and monoethanolamine (which have condensed previously)
Condensate to what and how? Which transesterification? There is no ester. Reaction with acetic acid needs water free environment. Sulfuric acid  as water Catcher and catalyst.

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Finally, we have a reaction of the zinc hydroxide with the compounds formed in the previous stage (transesterification), forming ZnO in a organic sol-gel matrix. Because I heat the solution, that organic matrix progressively evaporates, leaving a more viscous gel.
What evaporate?  Glycol ether need 126 °C boiling temperature .

Title: Re: Which reactions are taking place?
Post by: cogujada on March 10, 2023, 06:50:18 AM
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Zinc Acetate dihydrate hydrolizes:
Zn(CH3COOH)2 + H2O  :rarrow: Zn(OH)2 + 2CH3COOH]
Need alcaline environment.  Is  ethanolamin strong enough?
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Then, both methoxyethanol and monoethanolamine condensate
Then we have a transesterification reaction between methoxyethanol and monoethanolamine (which have condensed previously)
Condensate to what and how? Which transesterification? There is no ester. Reaction with acetic acid needs water free environment. Sulfuric acid  as water Catcher and catalyst.

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Finally, we have a reaction of the zinc hydroxide with the compounds formed in the previous stage (transesterification), forming ZnO in a organic sol-gel matrix. Because I heat the solution, that organic matrix progressively evaporates, leaving a more viscous gel.
What evaporate?  Glycol ether need 126 °C boiling temperature .

Maybe it is strong enough. pH after 2 h of aging was about 10.

Ethanolamine condensates to amino ethoxy ethanol 2 [NH2CH2CH2OCH2CH2OH]
Methoxyethanol condensates to MeOCH2CH2OCH2CH2OMe

Both then react? Don't know mate...

With reference to the evaporation, although water's boiling point is 100 °C, if you heat it till 70 °C it will evaporate partially at least.
Title: Re: Which reactions are taking place?
Post by: Hunter2 on March 10, 2023, 07:05:47 AM
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Ethanolamine condensates to amino ethoxy ethanol 2 [NH2CH2CH2OCH2CH2OH]
Methoxyethanol condensates to MeOCH2CH2OCH2CH2OMe

Even this will not happen. To get an ether by condensation you need extremly conditions.
Title: Re: Which reactions are taking place?
Post by: cogujada on March 10, 2023, 07:20:29 AM
Well then I have absolutely no idea about which reactions are taking place  ??? ???

Thanks by the way mate!  ;D
Title: Re: Which reactions are taking place?
Post by: Hunter2 on March 10, 2023, 07:26:25 AM
Me too, normaly it needs a polymer like polyethylenglycol, polyvinylpyrollidin, polyacrylic acid, etc.
Then something to get Zn2+ precipitate as hydroxide, Maybe the Ethanolamin is capable for it
But the others Methylglycol is only the solvent where the reaction takes place.