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Chemistry Forums for Students => Undergraduate General Chemistry Forum => Topic started by: gm mutant on July 07, 2008, 01:24:22 PM
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Hi everyone,
I am new to the forum. I am just a regular girl who sometimes has questions that I cant answer. I hope my brain picking will be ok here!
I have been reading alot about glyphosphate, Gm crops and Monsanto.
My question is: Does anyone know what monsanto use as their main ingredient when making Glyphosphate. It could be purely chemical and man made for all I know, but perhaps there is a main ingredient.....you never know till you ask..
Can anyone help? Does anyone know?
Thanks everyone
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do you mean glyphosate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate
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:-[ :-[ :-[...yes you are right...the chemical also known as roundup I am after info on....
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I would be really surprised if they made it themselves. They probably just buy it from a chemical supplier.
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Um... Monsanto is a chemical supplier. Before they started making GM plants, they made pesticides and herbicides.
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so does anyone know what they use to make roundup then? is there a main source..
I am a bit cross with monsanto.....they are trying to globally dominate seed crops to be resistant to there chemicals....absurd world we live in..
i just wonder if the ingrediants of roundup are harmless before made into glyphosate
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Why wouldn't a company make their plants resistant to their most common pesticide?
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:-[ :-[ :-[...yes you are right...the chemical also known as roundup I am after info on....
Well read the link i gave you then.
so does anyone know what they use to make roundup then? is there a main source..
gylphosate is a single chemical see the link I gave you.
Roundup contains other ingredients aswell
i just wonder if the ingrediants of roundup are harmless before made into glyphosate
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Its made by a chemical reaction and formulated with other things. Some of those starting materials may be harmless or very toxic.
What is it you really want to know?
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honestly...what i want to know is who supplies this company with what products to make the product roundup....i think boycotting these people however i can would be a great idea.
I dont agree with the fact that the company is making roundup resistant plants...why they dont spend money on trying to give the weeds a genetic mutation so they dont grow instead i dont know.....i dont like the idea of the food that we fuel our bodies with, being genetically mess3d with, so a company can ensure that they make money into the future...I have 3 year old that i am worried for.
I will read the links now...thanks everyone
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ok....this seems relly weird to me...perhaps someone can clarify.
From what i gather, one of the main ingrediants in glyphosate is glycine. (right?) now it seems the main source for glycine that i could find is soyabeans....now for me this is where it gets weird....soyabeans is a genetyically modified crop....are they sure they are not stuffing up there own source of glycine in making roundup, by gmodifying the crops that they are using as the ingredient.....that would be the ultimate Karma for a company like that.. what do you experts think?....what do you guys think of gm crops.?...its very clever, but i wonder if there is another way to deal with agriculture problems...
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Buy organic foods? I'd be much much much much more worried about what's going into cattle and pigs than genetically engineered crops.
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.why they dont spend money on trying to give the weeds a genetic mutation so they dont grow instead i dont know
Really? Think about it for a second.
You plant the plants that you want to grow. The 'weeds' are already plants in the local environment (or are introduced at a later time, not by the farmer or horticulturists) that can take over and interfere with the plant growth of your choice. You do not plant the weeds! So if you do not plant the weeds, how can you modify them to not grow?
but i wonder if there is another way to deal with agriculture problems...
Cut down more rain forests for farm land, so each farm does not have to be as efficent.
Reduce the population.
Have people waste less food (a huge problem in certain countries).
Do like me, and everybody with a yard have your won garden (the food really is SO damn much better grown fresh).
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I'm actually working on an organic cerified farm...permaculture, demeter and biodynamics my specialties..
Your normal back yard crop is at risk of being pollenated by a gm crop if its planted down the road. Australia has apparently recently said yes to growing GM canola....i'm appalled...
I pull every weed by hand and i mulch thickly....thats as good as i have got....im optimistic though, that a alternative that doesnt benefit a companies back pocket, will become apparant soon. I dont think companies should make billions off playing around with our food, without hearing what we the people have to say...
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I pull every weed by hand and i mulch thickly...
And how many people are you able to feed? At what labor cost? What will be the price of your crop on the market?
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im optimistic though, that a alternative that doesnt benefit a companies back pocket, will become apparant soon.
What do you mean an alternative?
Anything they do will not be "natural" and "organic", so therefor you will not be happy. To grow food on the scale we need at a level that is not too costly requires pesticides and herbicides. People complain about the pesticides and herbicides, and so they try to GM the crops so it requires less of those (and for other reasons).
You are not really fighting science here, just economics. "Natural" does not produce enough at a low cost level. Anything these companies do the reduce the cost will not be "natural" and will be complained about. So I am curious what kind of alternative you mean?
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the farm grows enough for the locals.
probably wont make much actual money.
it stops the need for transporting food. everything is fresh...still full of vitamins, and in cases where we dont sell things in small bulk orders to a few natural health shops, then is only cut/ pulled from the ground when the person comes to get their vegies. Its basically an extension of a personal vegie patch.
this doesnt really matter though, lets get back on thread...indian farmers are killing themselves because they are being forced to buy a patented gm seeds for everycrop, that they actually cant afford and they cant do the business that they have been doing for hundreds of years. Seeds in my opinion are there for those who want to work the land...i just want gm crops to be banned. Agriculture is basically too big, and thats why there has been a need for herbicides etc, but gm modifying the food is not the answer...is it..?
i wanna know, will i be forced in the future to buy gm seeds? or will i be able to do what i am doing now and that is practicing seed saving.
I am not a scientist and i am sorry if my opinion offends, but i am really annoyed that this kind of stuff is being done to what i see as already perfection. The eaarth is perfect a s it is...the food we eat is perfect, but yet we need to constantly stuff around with it to meet our requirements...does anyone really know if the gm crops will not harm us....of course they dont cause we are all the guinea pigs..
I think the work science does is great, but i think this is going to far..
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What is wrong with GM plants? How could you not want to selectively enhance genes to make fruit grow bigger, juicier and more plentiful on less land with less fertilizer (fertillizer being the actual real harmful environmental concern). Plus, there freaking resistant to weed pesticides, that's AMAZING STUFF.
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the farm grows enough for the locals.
So you want us to step back to subsistence farming and all leave the cities and work the land? Grow up its not going to happen.
indian farmers are killing themselves because they are being forced to buy a patented gm seeds for everycrop, that they actually cant afford and they cant do the business that they have been doing for hundreds of years.
What evidence do you have for this statement?
Agriculture is basically too big, and thats why there has been a need for herbicides etc, but gm modifying the food is not the answer...is it..?
Agriculture is big beacuse the population is 6billion, if you can convince 75% of those people to comit suicide and the rest to work the land and only have 2 children per couple then we can live in your green wonderland. The rest of us will carry on living in the real world were herbicides, pesticides and fertilisers are needed to grow enough food to feed everyone. GM modifiying crops is part of the answer to how we can carry on feeding the world.
I am not a scientist and i am sorry if my opinion offends, but i am really annoyed that this kind of stuff is being done to what i see as already perfection. The eaarth is perfect a s it is...the food we eat is perfect, but yet we need to constantly stuff around with it to meet our requirements.
What complete and utter rubish crops have been modified for thousands of years by people. Ever since people started farming we have breed crops/animals to be better than they were before.
What real annoys me is hippies/greens etc saying how crap all the modern world is but offering no viable alternative.
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seems i am dealing with hate throwing imbeciles now.....as if i am going to continue this discussion with such meager minds....get a grip!
fair well....thanks for your judgements..
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DrCMS is known for his sharp - and sometimes too fast - tongue, but apart from some personal remarks his post signalls the real problems with your approach. You can run away, you can try to explain why do you think he is wrong. Choice is yours.
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DrCMS is known for his sharp - and sometimes too fast - tongue, but apart from some personal remarks his post signalls the real problems with your approach.
I stand by everything I have posted but i don't think i have made any personal attacks.
seems i am dealing with hate throwing imbeciles now.....as if i am going to continue this discussion with such meager minds....get a grip!
fair well....thanks for your judgements..
gm mutant on the other hand is calling me a hate throwing imbecile with a meager mind. I'd call that a personal attack.