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Title: Anion
Post by: jondadbin on July 08, 2009, 12:57:04 AM
Hi guys, i wanted to get the opinion and observations from chemists about this product called Anion.  I'm new to the forum and this seemed to be the most appropriate section to ask the question.  The product is a sanitary pad for women that offers superior quality compared to its competition.  What makes this product so unique is that it features a negative ion strip that emits negative ions into the woman's body.  Woman have said that due to the negative ion strip, they experienced benefits such as reduced cramps, less bloating, and lighter moods.  The strip features over 5000 negative that are activated upon friction.

What are you observations about the negative ion strip and/or negative ions in general?  How can negative ions be installed onto a strip of fabric?  Anything else you want to make note of?

I appreciate your help.

Regards,

Jon
Title: Re: Anion
Post by: Mitch on July 08, 2009, 03:00:25 AM
You're kidding right? Do you have less cramps after rubbing your shoes on new carpet?
Title: Re: Anion
Post by: Borek on July 08, 2009, 03:34:02 AM
Snake oil or crackpottery - make your pick.
Title: Re: Anion
Post by: Astrokel on July 08, 2009, 03:38:01 AM
Ah it reminds me of the hair-dryer that my mum bought recently. It emits negative ion that makes hair smoother.
Title: Re: Anion
Post by: jondadbin on July 09, 2009, 01:55:23 AM
Guys, this apparently is a very real phenomenon.  Sarcastic comments, although funny, are not providing any valuable input. Tell me what you know about negative ions?  If you're so doubtful, tell me why.  I would like to understand your thinking.

Thanks,

Jon


Title: Re: Anion
Post by: Borek on July 09, 2009, 03:25:06 AM
You can't introduce negative ions without introducing - at the same time - exactly the same number of positive ions. In some specific conditions they can be separated, but not in this case.
Title: Re: Anion
Post by: nj_bartel on July 09, 2009, 02:23:54 PM
Do a double blind study with a pop of 1000 and get back to me.
Title: Re: Anion
Post by: jondadbin on July 10, 2009, 01:06:54 AM
You can't introduce negative ions without introducing - at the same time - exactly the same number of positive ions. In some specific conditions they can be separated, but not in this case.

Tell me how it can be possible to put negative ions on a strip of cotton for example.  It's already been done and it's been patented worldwide.  The following link may be useful to understand what I'm referring to with negative ions.

http://www.peakpureair.com/negative_ions.htm (http://www.peakpureair.com/negative_ions.htm)
Title: Re: Anion
Post by: Borek on July 10, 2009, 03:42:23 AM
Tell me how it can be possible to put negative ions on a strip of cotton for example.

You can't put them there without counterions. I told you that already but it seems to me like you prefer to ignore whatever doesn't fit.

Information at your link is at least partially incorrect (to not say that it is complete idiocy in places) and is there to advertise commercial product, so it is hardly any evidence.

To some extent it is posible to separate negative and positive ions in the air. That's not the same as separation in solids and/or liquids.
Title: Re: Anion
Post by: Mitch on July 10, 2009, 04:25:05 AM
One type of negative ion is called an electron. It is relatively easy to separate an electron from a surface by rubbing (ex. shoes on carpet, glass and wool). But they don't do anything useful if they come in contact with your body, they'll hang out on the surface of your skin and wait for the first opportunity to get away, thus an electrical discharge when you touch a good conductor like a metal door handle. To say that being at a different potential than ground has health benefits is slightly humorous, to say it is possible to free electrons from a sanitary napkin to reduce cramps is ludicrous.

There are other types of anions, but electrons are by far the easiest to make.
Title: Re: Anion
Post by: gloinddark on July 10, 2009, 07:39:58 AM
might act as a good placebo though  :P
Title: Re: Anion
Post by: Mitch on July 11, 2009, 04:42:41 PM
Placebo effect is actually pretty powerful, almost as good as over the counter drugs in some scenarios.
Title: Re: Anion
Post by: gloinddark on July 12, 2009, 06:56:55 AM
yes it's a pretty interesting phenomenon.