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Title: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on January 27, 2011, 04:33:05 PM: I am starting a small spray on chrome system I will share with you as soon as its done.... ;D Using hardware store chemicals (except silver nitrate)
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on January 28, 2011, 09:50:07 AM: here my home made Chroming(Silvering) Spray Gun :o

enjoy
(https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthumbnails10.imagebam.com%2F11544%2F9be511115430497.jpg&hash=b0d1d190a9c2dcf50586cb474913e4f00822a43d) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/9be511115430497) (https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthumbnails29.imagebam.com%2F11544%2F846e2d115430500.jpg&hash=c4a167ff1e8a0c1ed9f7f1b5c2c9f0d9cbdf447d) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/846e2d115430500) (https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthumbnails36.imagebam.com%2F11544%2Ff0b438115430505.jpg&hash=4ef1be47fc1408a874d6979581ecc2b584ff518d) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/f0b438115430505) (https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthumbnails9.imagebam.com%2F11544%2F38ea2f115430509.jpg&hash=40d07e2056a6c79f45dd4a3b357ef54999e0f353) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/38ea2f115430509)
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on January 28, 2011, 11:20:02 AM: sorry to post again, I just couldn't fine the Edit option... :-[

I am still working at my small kit, and sinse I am broke I had to build my own chemestry...:p

here check more pics of the Chroming(silvering)spray gun
enjoy
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and here the youtube video of the first formula I made..(I have improved the formula and will be uploading a video too)

here this is MY video I just up loaded to Youtube(yeah use rubber gloves)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKq39K3fmOY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKq39K3fmOY)

and this is classic tollen's reagent on which I based my formula but went a different way
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUX_cpFWNso (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUX_cpFWNso)

hey check my ¨dipped on chrome¨ chromed spoon....:p its at night with a soft yellow 25 watt light bulb

(https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthumbnails35.imagebam.com%2F11616%2Fec01ac116159378.jpg&hash=9dff40ebd3ec0dafab395aa1c0af92643d92de9f) (http://"http://www.imagebam.com/image/ec01ac116159378") (https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthumbnails7.imagebam.com%2F11616%2F9e58c8116159371.jpg&hash=513da706759cd675a44ada109eff71a552c9090d) (http://"http://www.imagebam.com/image/9e58c8116159371") (https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthumbnails11.imagebam.com%2F11616%2Fb9a501116159367.jpg&hash=ea7380eee8813b8da8538f10b7ddf1de3e550287) (http://"http://www.imagebam.com/image/b9a501116159367") (https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthumbnails27.imagebam.com%2F11616%2Fcdaa9a116159374.jpg&hash=25638d5ed11cbad8bf127e19c005ed460d5ae852) (http://"http://www.imagebam.com/image/cdaa9a116159374")

the last one its the gerbert glass container its shown in the youtube video....:D
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: billnotgatez on January 28, 2011, 11:26:00 AM: as you improve your system do more posts - you do not have to edit an old post

interesting work
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on January 28, 2011, 01:48:11 PM: Quote from: billnotgatez on January 28, 2011, 11:26:00 AM
as you improve your system do more posts - you do not have to edit an old post

interesting work
Thanks, you can't see it but the spoons are made of plastic, the type that nothing sticks to them... 8) except after I am done with them.... ;)
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on January 28, 2011, 02:58:53 PM: Quote from: billnotgatez on January 28, 2011, 11:26:00 AM
you do not have to edit an old post

Thanks, you can't see it but the spoons are made of plastic, the type that nothing sticks to them... 8) except after I am done with them.... ;)

EDit: seems you Can't edit after somebody has post after you..?

Edit: here how the plastic spoons starts(white blase coat or black base coat, both work)

white base coat
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black base coat
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add some color to the protecting varnish and you end up with this..
colored spoons
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Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: vmelkon on February 01, 2011, 04:37:29 PM: Looks nice. There is some company that makes such spray paint in a can and they claim that it is not like the others. Good quality and shiny as if it has been electroplated.
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: birdty on March 08, 2012, 12:39:44 PM: I'm For Thailand I need your help. I have no idea about base coat. What kind of base coat do you use. Thanks a lot
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on March 16, 2012, 11:43:58 AM: Quote from: birdty on March 08, 2012, 12:39:44 PM
I'm For Thailand I need your help. I have no idea about base coat. What kind of base coat do you use. Thanks a lot

I use automotive grade 2k Urethane glossy black or white basecoat.

here is the video, I was able to finish my small spray on chrome kit..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PKJsZX1Lt4
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: birdty on March 16, 2012, 12:56:29 PM: how about Polyurethane ? urethane is better,right ? And I have to use water base for base coat. Thanks a lot.
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on March 16, 2012, 07:08:39 PM: Quote from: birdty on March 16, 2012, 12:56:29 PM
how about Polyurethane ? urethane is better,right ? And I have to use water base for base coat. Thanks a lot.
automotive 2k Urethane its the best there is and that´s going to be your basecoat..

just a few update
pics..

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I´ll post pics of this bike in a few months to see how it has held up to the road..
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: Borek on March 16, 2012, 07:15:12 PM: Looks nice, keep us posted :)
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on March 18, 2012, 02:11:14 PM: Quote from: Borek on March 16, 2012, 07:15:12 PM
Looks nice, keep us posted :)

Quote from: bobj49f2;7570142
The front of the bike looks like the perfect test enviroment for it.
how about that bike´s shock absorber covers.. :cool:

(https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1085.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj437%2Fnicalandia%2FBlueBikeShockCover1.jpg&hash=d9e484be255cb55340d845a26b0bd292f5c69ca9)

Blue Chrome.. :D
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on March 19, 2012, 12:28:04 PM: how about a bike shock absorber covers?

(https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1085.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj437%2Fnicalandia%2FChromeBike1.jpg&hash=eabc13c7a7c113a993bfd117fc02681c5bb31ff5)

(https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1085.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj437%2Fnicalandia%2FChromeBike2-1.jpg&hash=f46e0c18e00ce3c4a9f5de944e63793116e4a0f0)

(https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1085.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj437%2Fnicalandia%2FChromeBike3.jpg&hash=3f22b9ea0ef1ae178769fdbdad6b4c43029882d8)

(https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1085.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj437%2Fnicalandia%2FChromeBike4.jpg&hash=ccdf509c6784b28c8922a22bd66c52e87bb48d11)

let see how it holds up in a few months... :)
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on March 19, 2012, 04:04:38 PM: More Pics before the Race... :cool:

(https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1085.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj437%2Fnicalandia%2FChromeBike7.jpg&hash=a5afd0b91714115b437aea29ae1a372f9f32e640)

(https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1085.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj437%2Fnicalandia%2FChromeBike10.jpg&hash=096a0cb247131da8f61b58cb14922f9db8c7c31b)

(https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1085.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj437%2Fnicalandia%2FChromeBike111.jpg&hash=a390c11731daaab52c5bfa3d9c0eb6b9a9a8c8a3)
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: Borek on March 19, 2012, 04:33:20 PM: Race can be a serious test, judging from the way you bike looks I expect a lot of mud ;D
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on April 01, 2012, 03:25:27 PM: some more pics..

(https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1085.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj437%2Fnicalandia%2Ftapa1.jpg&hash=56f718e30547f0bfa7a87c8307fb3eb5d7f5afc0)

and a youtube video

(Edit by Borek: corrected Flash formatting)

http://www.youtube.com/v/QwUCmVPHPNw?version=3&hl=en_US

www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwUCmVPHPNw
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: vmelkon on April 03, 2012, 08:49:45 PM: Is the metal silver or chromium?
If it is silver, is it using hydrazine sulfate and silver nitrate reaction or is it like the Tollen's test or one of the other tests that involve silver nitrate?
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: genetic1 on April 04, 2012, 01:41:17 AM: Quote from: vmelkon on February 01, 2011, 04:37:29 PM
Looks nice. There is some company that makes such spray paint in a can and they claim that it is not like the others. Good quality and shiny as if it has been electroplated.

I've tried the spray can's which claim to do chrome but it doesn't do it justice compared to the type of spraying system that nicamarvin is using. Spray can's are usually a big waste of time effort and money since the top's of them leak its hard to get a consistent spray which doesn't drip.

But really awesome job nicamarvin looks like you had it sprayed professionally keep up the great work.
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on April 04, 2012, 04:56:11 PM: Quote from: humberto32 on April 02, 2012, 07:20:00 PM
hi i'm from san antonio can send me the list of stuff i need to spray on chrome e-mail me humberto32@aol.com i would like the help i'm new at this
you can read a how to in this thread
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=674441

any specific question you can p.m me

Quote from: vmelkon on April 03, 2012, 08:49:45 PM
Is the metal silver or chromium?
If it is silver, is it using hydrazine sulfate and silver nitrate reaction or is it like the Tollen's test or one of the other tests that involve silver nitrate?
its real silver and the reducer used is a diluted form of formaline(Hydrazine also works, is used by Alsa own Spray on chrome system)

Quote from: genetic1 on April 04, 2012, 01:41:17 AM
Quote from: vmelkon on February 01, 2011, 04:37:29 PM
Looks nice. There is some company that makes such spray paint in a can and they claim that it is not like the others. Good quality and shiny as if it has been electroplated.

I've tried the spray can's which claim to do chrome but it doesn't do it justice compared to the type of spraying system that nicamarvin is using. Spray can's are usually a big waste of time effort and money since the top's of them leak its hard to get a consistent spray which doesn't drip.

But really awesome job nicamarvin looks like you had it sprayed professionally keep up the great work.

Thanks buddy

I will be doing my first large page, I may have to dust off my dual headed gun, or do the large piece in segmented parts

(https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1085.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj437%2Fnicalandia%2FBusBumper4.jpg&hash=2d41b1ad811d770ee761d69f9fde10a6d8914478)

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Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on April 07, 2012, 07:12:31 PM: this is my Paint team..

(https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1085.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj437%2Fnicalandia%2FPainterMixer2.jpg&hash=7d330d163c123c9e433920fb142a09df50bf3c1d)
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this is the SW 2k urethane paint I use as basecoat/topcoat

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Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on April 07, 2012, 07:13:02 PM: since I dont have cany paint dies, I use a few drops of color in the clear to give it a colored chrome look, so far this are the only colors I can produce, I have tried others but they just dont work at all..

Blue chrome
(https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1085.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj437%2Fnicalandia%2FBlue2.jpg&hash=885ffb2bbe05489417e5d0b170426943b00e5094)

(https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1085.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj437%2Fnicalandia%2FBlueBikeShockCover1-1.jpg&hash=832f198dbf8d07c808afdb1f8265d8a0a9971023)

Blue Chrome Videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GluSXjXag4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIu9s0XILs0

Violet Chrome
(https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1085.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj437%2Fnicalandia%2FViolet3.jpg&hash=41b4e9254d825355f4b404000b1d0a59d396bc89)

(https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1085.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj437%2Fnicalandia%2FViolet2.jpg&hash=9bc3b29d9eb59d5f551b0024e0add4e841469d4f)

Violet Chrome video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlMTxSB4g8Q

Magenta Chrome
(https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1085.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj437%2Fnicalandia%2FMagenta3.jpg&hash=0d3df4e22c6fdb5d5f1eaa13a57923133996a6b5)

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Magenta Chrome Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrO0ii2O3QI

Green Chrome
(https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1085.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj437%2Fnicalandia%2FGreen2.jpg&hash=2006f939e88b9e9b9b0f90f103e7a693a5a154f3)

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Green Chrome Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShIrUye8uUo

Ive been wanting to post videos of how the wetting agent works and why is important in this process, but I keep forgetting, next week I will have that video done..
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on April 20, 2012, 06:12:29 PM: Quote from: nicamarvin;7668602
I am Also going to do this piece
(https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1085.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj437%2Fnicalandia%2FBikeCover1.jpg&hash=44d451d4765efc8473dee2efcb611060d9ad28ac)

and I did a series II Land Rover front grill wich I havent uploaded the pics yet..

Updates..

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(https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1085.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj437%2Fnicalandia%2FBikeCover6.jpg&hash=b6e5567bee2a7e9cdbb43aae5bf21b4c46be09f5)

(https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1085.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj437%2Fnicalandia%2FBikeCover3.jpg&hash=6d876fe54bff1906e6a51bff5aaed945b3ce4db8)

(https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1085.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj437%2Fnicalandia%2FBikeCover2.jpg&hash=b7e8c0b91a7197f576413937a6fb2c6efc9d7b04)

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and the series II land rover grill

(https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1085.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj437%2Fnicalandia%2FLandRoverGrill1.jpg&hash=7981c26a27afc9d5614e3f473383d055949f1855)
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on April 20, 2012, 06:13:41 PM: Quote from: nicamarvin;7668602
I am Also going to do this piece
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.

Video of finished product

http://www.youtube.com/v/PX9D0YQRRng?version=3&hl=en_US
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: birdty on April 25, 2012, 12:44:07 PM: Hi ! I found that it's not easy at all to finish spray on chrome.There're a lot of process to do. Well, I have problem about being yellow and last process so I have two questions to ask. First, how to avoid being yellow and What kind of lacquer do you use for the last process? Thanks ;D
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on April 29, 2012, 03:28:55 PM: Quote from: birdty on April 25, 2012, 12:44:07 PM
I have problem about being yellow and last process so I have two questions to ask. First, how to avoid being yellow and What kind of lacquer do you use for the last process? Thanks ;D
its always going to be yellow, that´s really not an issue, the last clear coat(Lacquer) needs to be tinted with violet color(mix of blue and magenta) to give it a chrome look, remember how yellow is the oposite of vilote? they will cancel each other out
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on April 29, 2012, 03:40:25 PM: you will see how the lines looked, in this pic I was using untinted clear that´s why it looks yellow instead of chrome, the tinted clear goes after.
(https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1085.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj437%2Fnicalandia%2FBusBumper9.jpg&hash=2a6dd12ec733b822301f72ad1816aee23828ed51)

the line you see is a pole not a white line, you can see how the violet tinted clear can turn this thing into a chrome look a like
(https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1085.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj437%2Fnicalandia%2FBusBumper1-1.jpg&hash=715e4a61398fc4909b0b8bf486fe20e831acbc05)
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: Jesus on May 13, 2012, 01:38:24 AM: que tal, has tenido problema con el acabado despues de seis meses? en otro foro alguien de Nicaragua dice que el clear no resiste ó presenta permeabilidad, me pregunto si usando un CPC de Eastman ó anticorrosivos hibridos de Halox ayudarían, creo voy a diseñar este sistema en México ya que tengo acceso a los materiales, agradecería que nos apoyaramos mutuamente, saludos

PS am not really sure if i must use english to post but let me know
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: Borek on May 13, 2012, 05:14:45 AM: Quote from: Jesus on May 13, 2012, 01:38:24 AM
PS am not really sure if i must use english to post but let me know

Per forum rules (http://www.chemicalforums.com/index.php?topic=33740.0) English is an official language of Chemical Forums. Yes, you should post in English.
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: wow_pens on May 15, 2012, 06:26:10 AM: hi.. i new user. but i read any this site. and i test spray on chrome system. but it lost.... i can not activating suface on base coat... you can help me?? what chamical do it.. thank.
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on May 15, 2012, 10:26:58 PM: Quote from: Jesus on May 13, 2012, 01:38:24 AM
que tal, has tenido problema con el acabado despues de seis meses? en otro foro alguien de Nicaragua dice que el clear no resiste ó presenta permeabilidad, me pregunto si usando un CPC de Eastman ó anticorrosivos hibridos de Halox ayudarían, creo voy a diseñar este sistema en México ya que tengo acceso a los materiales, agradecería que nos apoyaramos mutuamente, saludos

PS am not really sure if i must use english to post but let me know
english is a must here, but its ok buddy I will be glad to help you out, I was the one that stated that in 6 months spectra chrome clear did failed(with pics of a guy that use spectra, I have not been able to test them yet), but I believe that a good clear coat and enough of it(about 3 to 4 coats) is enough to protect it after 6 months,
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on May 15, 2012, 10:43:21 PM: Quote from: wow_pens on May 15, 2012, 06:26:10 AM
hi.. i new user. but i read any this site. and i test spray on chrome system. but it lost.... i can not activating suface on base coat... you can help me?? what chamical do it.. thank.
did you test a spray on chrome kit from another compay or one that you built yourself? and I need you to describe the entire process you did, so I can pin point what´s the issue here
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on May 16, 2012, 08:04:43 PM: can someone help me post this videos? they show how thin is the silver layer..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocm2a9031vM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=jMWtAQ5xJ0A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehqJ8lE_tlM&feature=relmfu

thanks

Edit by Borek - here you go:

http://www.youtube.com/v/ocm2a9031vM?version=3&hl=en_US

http://www.youtube.com/v/jMWtAQ5xJ0A?version=3&hl=en_US

http://www.youtube.com/v/ehqJ8lE_tlM?version=3&hl=en_US
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: Jesus on May 16, 2012, 09:26:52 PM: Ok then am gonna use english, ok i told you that am about to try this system here in Mex, i did a research on how to get them raw chemicals, and i already did with them AgNO3 and SnCl2, with the last one am gonna have to do a more deeper research due the fact that in the market there are three types: anhydrous, dihydrate and pentahydrate, also i was thinking about giving the fresh silver deposition a protective layer of SnCl2, have you tried this out yet? and then the poly topcoat, also, if you happen to need any help on your water and solvent based coatings feel free to ask me about resins and additives
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on May 19, 2012, 07:23:40 PM: Quote from: Jesus on May 16, 2012, 09:26:52 PM
also i was thinking about giving the fresh silver deposition a protective layer of SnCl2, have you tried this out yet? and then the poly topcoat, also, if you happen to need any help on your water and solvent based coatings feel free to ask me about resins and additives
I´ve been thinking about using some kind of passivation on the silver layer but so far the only experiment that I have done with this in mind has not produce any good results, I have tried spraying the tin for silver(sensitizer) on a fresh silver layer but it destroys the silver layer, I think is the acidic nature of the stannous chloride. but then again the silver layer is very thin and weak, in a hot day i was sweating alot and one sweat drop on the silver layer and it left a mark..
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on May 19, 2012, 07:28:22 PM: a comprehensive Spray On Chrome How to, in the hand lettering forum

http://www.handletteringforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3311

I´ll post it here when I have time
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: onur_tr on May 20, 2012, 03:44:32 PM: Quote from: sjb on May 18, 2012, 05:47:13 PM
Quote from: onur_tr on May 18, 2012, 05:28:35 PM
Hi nicamarvin , i need help about spray chroming if can U contact me. I ll ask some question. Thx..

mail : (removed, sjb)

Any reason why you can't ask the questions directly here?

No problem did U find Formula on spray chrome or buy it?
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on May 20, 2012, 06:02:57 PM: Quote from: onur_tr on May 20, 2012, 03:44:32 PM
did U find Formula on spray chrome or buy it?
its actually a silver mirror formula that I bought off the internet, you see when you are dealing with this process you want to reduce the complexity as much as possible, eliminating the variables will give you better results, I did try a home made silvering formula but it was not giving me the consistency needed for a business
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: LPC on May 21, 2012, 06:17:53 PM: Hi looking good, is it possible you can sell us the same formula so we dont get mixed results please sir!
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: LPC on May 21, 2012, 06:26:09 PM: Also just for clarity 2k urethane paint as a base and 2k urethane clear as a laquer?
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on May 22, 2012, 12:17:58 PM: Quote from: LPC on May 21, 2012, 06:17:53 PM
Hi looking good, is it possible you can sell us the same formula so we dont get mixed results please sir!
I dont sell this product, you can buy them off the shelf.. this is a DIY how to.
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on May 22, 2012, 12:19:21 PM: Quote from: LPC on May 21, 2012, 06:26:09 PM
Also just for clarity 2k urethane paint as a base and 2k urethane clear as a laquer?
2k means it has been catalized with a hardener, thats all, I only use this type of coating because it has good quality and durability
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: Jesus on May 26, 2012, 04:24:14 PM: Quote from: nicamarvin on May 19, 2012, 07:23:40 PM
Quote from: Jesus on May 16, 2012, 09:26:52 PM
also i was thinking about giving the fresh silver deposition a protective layer of SnCl2, have you tried this out yet? and then the poly topcoat, also, if you happen to need any help on your water and solvent based coatings feel free to ask me about resins and additives
I´ve been thinking about using some kind of passivation on the silver layer but so far the only experiment that I have done with this in mind has not produce any good results, I have tried spraying the tin for silver(sensitizer) on a fresh silver layer but it destroys the silver layer, I think is the acidic nature of the stannous chloride. but then again the silver layer is very thin and weak, in a hot day i was sweating alot and one sweat drop on the silver layer and it left a mark..
hello again i've found a product that's have being used by toymakers to protect the silver, is a hybrid rust inhibitor, i have a sample of it, i'll let you know how it works
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: wow_pens on May 27, 2012, 04:12:36 AM: Quote from: nicamarvin on May 15, 2012, 10:43:21 PM
Quote from: wow_pens on May 15, 2012, 06:26:10 AM
hi.. i new user. but i read any this site. and i test spray on chrome system. but it lost.... i can not activating suface on base coat... you can help me?? what chamical do it.. thank.
did you test a spray on chrome kit from another compay or one that you built yourself? and I need you to describe the entire process you did, so I can pin point what´s the issue here
Not problem. (http://teaybkk.com) thanks you very much. :) but this time i find fumula for spray on chrome you can help me about guideline it ... :)
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on May 28, 2012, 02:54:31 PM: Quote from: Jesus on May 26, 2012, 04:24:14 PM
hello again i've found a product that's have being used by toymakers to protect the silver, is a hybrid rust inhibitor, i have a sample of it, i'll let you know how it works
Thanks Buddy, please let me now about it
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on May 28, 2012, 03:05:59 PM: Quote from: wow_pens on May 27, 2012, 04:12:36 AM
Quote from: nicamarvin on May 15, 2012, 10:43:21 PM
Quote from: wow_pens on May 15, 2012, 06:26:10 AM
hi.. i new user. but i read any this site. and i test spray on chrome system. but it lost.... i can not activating suface on base coat... you can help me?? what chamical do it.. thank.
did you test a spray on chrome kit from another compay or one that you built yourself? and I need you to describe the entire process you did, so I can pin point what´s the issue here
Not problem. (http://teaybkk.com) thanks you very much. :) but this time i find fumula for spray on chrome you can help me about guideline it ... :)

here is a comprenhencive how to...
http://www.handletteringforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3311&sid=a591f53b341034c3a735fa72119ae27c
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on May 28, 2012, 03:07:58 PM: guys I was able to Brush plate over a graphite powder plastic spoon, the graphite powder was rubbed on to the spoon(bad durability) and the brush plating kit is a caswell copychrome plug and play brush plating kit, I think a graphite ink or a graphite coating could perform best..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjxET8e7AKM
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: nicamarvin on August 05, 2012, 11:51:33 AM: updates...

(https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1085.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj437%2Fnicalandia%2FGoldenColoredBike3.jpg&hash=41777fa7d1aabba125028ac41bdb00493a588f83)

(https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1085.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj437%2Fnicalandia%2FChromeBike1xe.jpg&hash=568ee23725313566dc6cc631335c4a97a60ca0b6)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o57Qckqtil0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqorUzNFRbU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEcX_NVu8lQ
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: Borek on August 06, 2012, 02:08:06 PM: I like what I see ;D
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: charlie beswick on December 05, 2012, 01:49:11 AM: Hi Nicamarvin, Please can you give some details of the kind of DIY chemicals you used for your spray on chrome experiment. So far I understand the base coat should be 2K black or white. What do you apply next?, What do you use as an Activator / sensitizer, do you use Stannous Chloride? can this be made DIY?, Silver Nitrate can be made but what "strength" ( % ) is best. Please what is the step by step process?. I have watched your video when you were using hand spray bottles and I was very impressed, I would like to try the same thing as it is not expensive and I will waste a lot of chemicals before I get it right. Please help. Many thanks, Charlie
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: charlie beswick on December 05, 2012, 07:35:26 AM: Hi Nicamarvin,

Have you ever tried making your own Stennous Chloride using Tin and Hydachloric acid? Also Silver Nitrate can be made from Silver and Nitric Acid. The problem I have got is the transportation of hazardous chemicals to where I live. I have to try and make my own chemicals for this test. Please let me know if you have managed to make your own DIY chemicals, and if so what, for Spray Chroming.

Many thanks,

Charlie
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: charlie beswick on December 06, 2012, 02:22:01 AM: Hi has anyone tried the "Caswell Pump Spray" system. It is very reasonably priced BUT does it work well?
Anyone got any comment from previous experiments with this product. Many thanks.
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: crazydave on December 13, 2012, 02:58:28 AM: here you go guys found how to make it hope this helps you all out please let me know how you get on
http://www.chrismolloy.com/page.php?u=p106
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: EIDER0909 on April 01, 2013, 09:00:41 PM: Hi, I'm new and I see that they have enough knowledge of the subject and I have this problem:

plating process performed somewhat opaque and then gives a blue spot, please can guide me what could be the problem.

THANKS!

;D
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: EIDER0909 on April 02, 2013, 10:01:01 PM: this is the problem, when I was plating if I exceed opaque
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: EIDER0909 on April 02, 2013, 10:03:03 PM: I have to test with ultrapure water
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: C.boss on October 14, 2013, 05:28:49 PM: I did my own spray on chrome kit and it works pretty good but i have a problem ... I hope you can Helpme ! ... When i apply the last step it looks like a mirror but if i touch it or try to apply the clear coat the finish gone i think that happend because i dond apply the sealer and thats my question whats the sealer i need or how can i made it ???... Thanks
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: seetamsetti on July 28, 2014, 06:06:50 AM: Hi Nicamarvin, I want to chrome my Honda City Car's Front Grill (2012 model) to mirror chrome finish so, Please kindly provide me some details of the kind of DIY chemicals you used for your spray on chrome experiment on Plastic or Fiberglass, So far I understand the base coat should be 2K black or white. What do you apply next?thanks, Seetamsetti
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: hussey on September 17, 2014, 05:32:07 AM: I am in an electroplating field since years and i utilized my chemicals with some variations to develop spray chrome chemicals. Pretty good for a startup. Just some little finishing problems which i hope will go away as its been only 1 month in this spray field
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: hussey on September 17, 2014, 05:42:04 AM: I got the qoutations from different well reputed companies that sells spray chrome chemicals and the minimum i got is for $25 for 1ltr diluted set whereas the inhouse cost of the chemicals is $5 for a ltr set.
If anyone is using imported chemicals then let me know, i wanna compare the results and for that I'll ask u guys to replace each step with mine so i get to know which chemical of mine needs some alteration,
Let me know if any body willing to help
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: Arkcon on September 17, 2014, 06:48:43 AM: hussey:, by all means post what info you've come up with. That's what this thread and forum are all about -- sharing chemistry knowledge.
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: hussey on September 21, 2014, 03:06:26 PM: We will discuss the wetting agent or so called activator or sensitizer and reducer of salt solution later, first i want to comfirm the chemistry of my salt solution so called silvering solution A, reason is that its the most expensive solution among all of the rest.
For 1 litre diluted solution, i took 2.5gm silver nitrate in 500ml distilled water and while stirring i added concentrated amonia drop by drop until the solution becomes black then turns clear again (3ml approx), this means the silver nitrate is disloved.
Then i took another beaker and dissolved 7.5gm sodium hydroxide in 500ml distilled water. Then i mixed this solution to my sliver nitrate solution, the mixture will turn black again then i add amonia again drop by drop (7ml approx) until it turns into clear solution.
This is my salt solution.
You guys can use it with your company provided reducer and check the result, please do let me know the result.
NOTE: use sliver nitrate, sodium hydroxide and amonia Lab grade only.
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: VEGAS on October 25, 2014, 05:25:58 AM: hyssey, did you try your formula for the silvering solution ?
Do you have any results/ progress since September ?
I am thinking to try to make silvering solution also :)
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: VEGAS on October 25, 2014, 05:30:06 AM: Btw
Does someone know how to make an anti-oxident solution ? in order to spray the chrome surface straight after... ?
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: Arkcon on December 08, 2014, 09:16:59 AM: Quote from: rip_jeff on December 07, 2014, 08:26:31 PM
How can I get the list of chemicals needed

Early in this thread, the creator, nicamarvin:, posted another link that details the chemicals needed: http://www.chemicalforums.com/index.php?topic=46428.15
Title: Re: DIY spray on chrome System
Post by: Arkcon on May 06, 2015, 09:36:22 AM: Guys, I've decided to lock this thread. I've made it sticky, so it will always be at the top, because this is a great thread, but it has run out its course.

nicamarvin: has done a pretty impressive thing, he's taken the silver mirror reaction, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tollens%27_reagent#In_silver_mirroring, and used it to make an excellent automotive finish. He's used his expertise in finishing to be able to select he proper base-coat, tint the silvering, and provide a good clear-coat. If anyone wants to know more, they can read the thread from the beginning, check out the other finishing board links, or check out youtube.

nicamarvin:, if you feel like you have to add something, please send a PM a MOD: or ADMIN:, and we'll help out.

However, the endless posts, "This is awesome, email me how to do this" are going to have to stop now.

*Topic Locked*
Title: Re: Fe + NiSo4 = Ni + FeSo4
Post by: nicamarvin on October 10, 2015, 10:35:06 AM: hey I posted a Tutorial on Instructables(I know it took me years, but to be fair I only found out about that site when I started looking for a DIY 3D printer)

can you post this link on my original DIY spray on chrome thread? thanks
http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Spray-On-Chrome-kit/