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Specialty Chemistry Forums => Citizen Chemist => Topic started by: crank01 on September 25, 2011, 12:54:11 AM
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Hello chemical forums, this is my first post on here so plz no flaming ;D How would I be able to get rid of the smell in vinegar while still keeping it in its liquid state? I know this isn't anything advanced but it would really benefit me if you were to help me :D
thankyou
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You can't. As long as it is acetic acid, it smells of acetic acid.
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You can't. As long as it is acetic acid, it smells of acetic acid.
:( darn... thanks for your reply. srry for the late response i was a bit busy.
darnit. this ruined the thing i wanted to make :-[
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Actually,what did you want to make?
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you might want to substitute lemon juice for vinegar
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There are other weak, and even edible acids which don't smell as strongly...
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well I wanted to make a product with vinegar in it, as its main ingredient, but if I substitute it for lemon juice it may not work the same. If I add enough water to dillute the vinegar I think it'll still smell bad but not as bad, but what I'm looking for is something that won't smell at all or smells kinda like normal lol.
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If it has to be vinegar, your only hope is to dilute it to the point where it can't be smelled, but by then there won't be much vinegar left at all. You could neutralize the acetic acid with baking soda, forming odorless sodium acetate, but that has very different properties from vinegar. If you need an acidic solution, your best bet is to probably go with some other food grade acid.
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If you don't want the vinegar smell, what properties of the vinegar are you actually looking for? That will determine what you replace it with. If you are looking for the bite on the tongue in a food product, you might look at other food grade acids as Honclbrif and others suggested - lemon juice, cream of tartar (a tartaric acid salt), malonic acid, phosphoric acid, there are several less smelly ways to make something tart. If you are looking for an acidic reaction (such as making sodium bicarbonate foam), you might want to use a dilute mineral acid like HCl.
If you can tell us what you are trying to use your product for, we might be able to make more helpful suggestions.
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you could always add something that has a greater smell than vinegar to cover up the vinegar smell, but i do not think it will be easy.
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it for a beauty product ;D dont judge me lol
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And what purpose does the vinegar have in the beauty product? If you are using it for a solvent, you may be able to switch to a sweeter vinegar, like rice vinegar. Or maybe even malt vinegar or apple cider vinegar ;D If it has a chemical purpose, this may be an application where sodium acetate would work.
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Yes the type is apple cider vinegar but IT STILL SMELLS!!! :P
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Probably frozen vinegar doesn't smell as bad. Might make it too cold for a beauty product, though.
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Pure acetic acid solidifies at 16 Celsius.
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crank01 - until you answer the following questions...
what properties of the vinegar are you actually looking for?
what purpose does the vinegar have in the beauty product?
...this thread will go nowhere.
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So, you want to create a beauty product with the active ingredient vinegar but
not to smell of vinegar? Just put "now with extra vinegar" on the labelling. ;)
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So, you want to create a beauty product with the active ingredient vinegar but
not to smell of vinegar? Just put "now with extra vinegar" on the labelling. ;)
lol true, and the reason why I would like to use vinegar is because is makes the skin soft, and helps to clean out pores. Dont ask me "HOW???" lol its just what seems to happen to mine and people who also use it on there skin. talking about apple cider vinegar.
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OK, basically, cider vinegar cleans pores and softens skin. I'll take that at face value. You have a compounded face cream with the right amount of active agent, but it smells too much like salad dressing to sell. You can't just remove the vinegar smell from acetic acid, a pure compound, and the impurities in cider or other flavors of vinegar don't enter into the debate over the vinegar smell. You simply have to mask the vinegar smell with other scents. For example, find botanical with synergistic effects, and a strong scent. Market like hell. And send me a percentage. ;D
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OK, basically, cider vinegar cleans pores and softens skin. I'll take that at face value. You have a compounded face cream with the right amount of active agent, but it smells too much like salad dressing to sell. You can't just remove the vinegar smell from acetic acid, a pure compound, and the impurities in cider or other flavors of vinegar don't enter into the debate over the vinegar smell. You simply have to mask the vinegar smell with other scents. For example, find botanical with synergistic effects, and a strong scent. Market like hell. And send me a percentage. ;D
lol ok thanks for the tip :) and if I make money from this then sure u can
also a google search for a botanical with synergistic effects was epic fail :-[ can u think of any off the top of your head.
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"I would like to use vinegar is because is makes the skin soft, and helps to clean out pores. Dont ask me "HOW???" lol its just what seems to happen to mine and people who also use it on there skin. talking about apple cider vinegar."
Scientists hate to see "Don't ask me how, it just works" I'm going to be "that guy" and suggest you get a little scientific on this:
Have you tried other types of vinegar?
How do their pH's differ? (you can get pH strips for a reasonable price online).
If its cinder vinegar only that has this effect, it could be some other component that is causing this effect. Does neutralizing it with baking soda or another base maintain the skin softening effect?
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"I would like to use vinegar is because is makes the skin soft, and helps to clean out pores. Dont ask me "HOW???" lol its just what seems to happen to mine and people who also use it on there skin. talking about apple cider vinegar."
Scientists hate to see "Don't ask me how, it just works" I'm going to be "that guy" and suggest you get a little scientific on this:
Have you tried other types of vinegar?
How do their pH's differ? (you can get pH strips for a reasonable price online).
If its cinder vinegar only that has this effect, it could be some other component that is causing this effect. Does neutralizing it with baking soda or another base maintain the skin softening effect?
Damn for that quote of mine I sure had bad spelling typos lol, jeez. And yes it's apple cider vinegar, and I haven't tried any bases to start with, what bases do you think I can try that is readily available?
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Sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) would be the obvious first try. Ammonium hydroxide would be another possibility (ammonia in water), although you would need to balance it very carefully so that the ammonia just neutralizes the acetic acid and neither one can be smelled much. A small amount of an anionic detergent might also work - sodium lauryl sulfate, for example.
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Sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) would be the obvious first try. Ammonium hydroxide would be another possibility (ammonia in water), although you would need to balance it very carefully so that the ammonia just neutralizes the acetic acid and neither one can be smelled much. A small amount of an anionic detergent might also work - sodium lauryl sulfate, for example.
thanks I'll write these down, anyone got more to suggest please let me know ;D
and I know this thread is totally different than what you all mainly focus on lol so sorry if its out of the ordinary.