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Title: Find the heat capacity of the calorimeter.
Post by: anujfr on November 29, 2012, 06:04:05 PM
Please explain to me how can I find the answer to this question:

A 6.55 g of C6H5NH2 was combusted in a bomb calorimeter. The temperature change was 32.9 C. Determine the heat capacity of the calorimeter. Given-> ΔHrxn = -1.28 * 10^4.

Thank You.
Title: Re: Find the heat capacity of the calorimeter.
Post by: Borek on November 29, 2012, 06:11:04 PM
Any related equations that you know?
Title: Re: Find the heat capacity of the calorimeter.
Post by: anujfr on November 29, 2012, 06:16:01 PM
ΔHrxn=qrxn.
That is all that I think is applicable for this reaction considering the amount of information I have.
Also
q=C*ΔT
But I am confused if I used this then would I find the C for the reaction or the calorimeter?

Because If the above equations are correct then I can assume C = ΔH/ΔT. which gives me a wrong answer.
Title: Re: Find the heat capacity of the calorimeter.
Post by: Borek on November 29, 2012, 06:39:56 PM
Because If the above equations are correct then I can assume C = ΔH/ΔT. which gives me a wrong answer.

Generally speaking this is how it should be done.

ΔHrxn = -1.28 * 10^4

Units?
Title: Re: Find the heat capacity of the calorimeter.
Post by: anujfr on November 29, 2012, 06:41:38 PM
ΔH has the unit KJ
Title: Re: Find the heat capacity of the calorimeter.
Post by: Borek on November 29, 2012, 06:54:02 PM
ΔH has the unit KJ

I am absolutely sure that's incorrect.
Title: Re: Find the heat capacity of the calorimeter.
Post by: anujfr on November 29, 2012, 06:57:43 PM
The K is actually a lower case k but I don't think that is the confusion. It is Kilo Joules and I can scan and post the image of the page the question is on if you want.
Title: Re: Find the heat capacity of the calorimeter.
Post by: Borek on November 29, 2012, 07:01:58 PM
Why is the mass given in the question?
Title: Re: Find the heat capacity of the calorimeter.
Post by: anujfr on November 29, 2012, 07:06:22 PM
6.55 g of C6H5NH2

But why does the mass matter considering that heat capacity doesn't involve mass???
Title: Re: Find the heat capacity of the calorimeter.
Post by: Borek on November 29, 2012, 07:11:36 PM
Say you burn 6.55 g of the substance. Say you burn 13.1 g of the substance. Is the amount of energy produced the same?
Title: Re: Find the heat capacity of the calorimeter.
Post by: anujfr on November 29, 2012, 07:30:57 PM
Well logic says no, given that the substance burnt in both scenarios is the same. But why do you ask???
Title: Re: Find the heat capacity of the calorimeter.
Post by: fledarmus on November 29, 2012, 09:12:44 PM
You're missing the point. ΔH does depend on the amount of the material reacting, and it's units should reflect that. All of Borek's responses have been trying to guide you to the missing piece.
Title: Re: Find the heat capacity of the calorimeter.
Post by: anujfr on November 29, 2012, 09:22:25 PM
Oh I see what you are saying. I wonder why did my professor wrote kJ instead of kJ/moles...

But let me ask you this:
If ΔHrxn=qrxn and q= C*ΔT, then C =j/°c and q=j. Then doesn't ΔH = j instead of J/moles?

And we are talking about heat capacity intead of specific heat capacity.
Title: Re: Find the heat capacity of the calorimeter.
Post by: Borek on November 30, 2012, 04:25:45 AM
If ΔHrxn=qrxn and q= C*ΔT, then C =j/°c and q=j. Then doesn't ΔH = j instead of J/moles?

No idea what is j.

How many joules were produced in combustion?
Title: Re: Find the heat capacity of the calorimeter.
Post by: curiouscat on November 30, 2012, 06:17:09 AM
Because If the above equations are correct then I can assume C = ΔH/ΔT. which gives me a wrong answer.

What is the "right" answer?
Title: Re: Find the heat capacity of the calorimeter.
Post by: curiouscat on November 30, 2012, 06:23:34 AM
What's the MW of C6H5NH2?  You will need it.

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If ΔHrxn=qrxn and q= C*ΔT, then C =j/°c and q=j. Then doesn't ΔH = j instead of J/moles?

You are confusing people by using non standard notation. Joules ≡ J and never j.

Even better practice is to always define your notation.
Title: Re: Find the heat capacity of the calorimeter.
Post by: curiouscat on November 30, 2012, 06:31:41 AM
The K is actually a lower case k but I don't think that is the confusion.

It may not be the confusion in this case, yet get into the habit of doing notation right. Notation is important.

Kilo- (symbol: k, lowercase)

Always kJ and never KJ
Title: Re: Find the heat capacity of the calorimeter.
Post by: anujfr on November 30, 2012, 07:52:42 AM
What is the "right" answer?
The right answer is 6.84 kJ/°C

What's the MW of C6H5NH2?  You will need it.
What is MW??
Title: Re: Find the heat capacity of the calorimeter.
Post by: Borek on November 30, 2012, 08:01:21 AM
Molecular Weight, or Molar Weight.
Title: Re: Find the heat capacity of the calorimeter.
Post by: anujfr on November 30, 2012, 08:54:11 AM
Sorry but I am confused. Do you want the Molecular mass * 9.8 or just the mass. I am confused because you said weight which is mass * acceleration due to gravity.
Title: Re: Find the heat capacity of the calorimeter.
Post by: curiouscat on November 30, 2012, 09:01:35 AM
Sorry but I am confused. Do you want the Molecular mass * 9.8 or just the mass. I am confused because you said weight which is mass * acceleration due to gravity.

Why don't you think about it a bit? Have you seem Molecular Mass * 9.8 being used in a ThermoChem Context?

Even better if you are so wracked by doubt report both.  My point is let's start doing some number crunching.