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General Forums => Generic Discussion => Topic started by: jdurg on January 15, 2006, 08:53:31 PM
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I'm currently in the process of obtaining my pistol permit here in the State of Connecticut, and the first part of that process was attending an officially licensed pistol use and safety course taught by a licensed NRA member. The course was a five hour course that went over every aspect of owning a handgun and the laws associated with it, as well as safety and the science of firearms. The best part was the end of the course, where upon successfull completion of the examination, we were allowed to go down to the shooting range underneath the classroom and fire a selection of different guns. The guns at our disposal were a .22 caliber single action revolver, a .357 double action revolver, a .38 Special single action revolver, and a 9mm double action Berretta. Of all the guns, I have the say that the .22 caliber is the wussiest of them all. Yes it can do some serious damage, but it just felt very weak and pathetic. When fired, there was little to no kickback and not a whole lot of "oomph" felt by the shooter. Now the .38 Special, however, felt GREAT! That thing has some SERIOUS "oomph" to it and you can feel it in your chest when you fire the gun. Looking at the target, getting hit by a .38 Special would surely leave you dead. The .38 also kicked out a good deal of light and smoke when fired and was just very satisfying. While the 9mm Berretta had a LOT more kick to it and was neat how it flung the spent casing out automatically, the .357 and .38 Special just felt really comfortable to shoot and had a great result. With my tax return in a few months I hope to be able to afford a nice .357 magnum revolver, preferably a Smith & Wesson. I'll have to see what I can afford. ;D
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What do you need the pistol permit for? Is it for work?
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You need a pistol permit in order to legally own a handgun. I want to own a nice .357 or .44 magnum revolver, and in order to legally do that I need to have a permit. In addition, just going to a shooting range and firing off a few boxes of ammo is really cathartic and kind of interesting. A few of the people I hang out with are into guns and target shooting and I thought it would be interesting to see what it is all about.
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OK, sounds exciting. I am not really into guns so I don't really know what .357 and .44 means, I assume it is some sort of measurement/diameter or such? Do you fire at stationary targets or is it that "clay pigeon" shooting?
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Yup, the numeric designation is a measurement of the diameter of the bullet being fired. A .357 is .357 inches wide, a .44 is .44 inches wide, and a 9mm is 9 millimeters wide. The wider the bullet is, typically the bigger the bullet is. So a .50 caliber round is considered a VERY large bullet and as such it requires a great deal of force to get it going. The larger the bullet, the heavier it is and the more gunpowder is needed to propel it forward. As a result, the higher caliber bullets have much more kickback in the gun since a bigger explosion happens. When firing, you will definitely feel the kick to it as your hand and the gun are propelled upwards. With the high power, however, the bullet gets a great deal more energy into it so it will penetrate a lot deeper and do a LOT more damage.
For the targets, you can either shoot at moving clay targets or at stationary ones. I'm just getting into the physical firing of guns so I just shoot at targets which are at the opposite end of the shooting range. It's just a standard 8.5x11 sheet of paper I'm shooting at with a bullseye and point totals printed on the paper. So I just shoot at those and try and maintain some accuracy and precision in my shots. Once I've got my permit and have had enough hours on the shooting range, then I'll move forward to the clay target practice. ;D
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A regular .22 is only meant for small game hunting. It's the smallest bullet excluding buckshot. Though on the other hand if you go a step up and purchase a .22 magnum those can blast some serious holes in plywood. Jdurg I'm sure that a .357 magnum will not dissapoint you at all. My cousin showed some pictures he took of some unsuspecting trees. He fired his .357 magnum (handgun now) into a small tree probably 6 or 7 inches in diameter. The tree wasn't standing after. ;D
Also some snipers during World War II used .22's. Probably so as not give away there position and so the bullet wouldn't go through the targets head/body. Exit wound mean energy that wasn't put into the target. Even wounding a guy could have a tremendous phsychological effect on the guys around him. Especially if the wounded was screaming. Then you'd have to haul him to a medical camp. Wounding was consider almost as good as killing according to my grandfather who knew a guy that was a sniper in WWII. He was an engineer and landed on Omaha beach in Normandy during the 2nd wave.
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Also some snipers during World War II used .22's. Probably so as not give away there position and so the bullet wouldn't go through the targets head/body. Exit wound mean energy that wasn't put into the target. Even wounding a guy could have a tremendous phsychological effect on the guys around him. Especially if the wounded was screaming. Then you'd have to haul him to a medical camp. Wounding was consider almost as good as killing according to my grandfather who knew a guy that was a sniper in WWII. He was an engineer and landed on Omaha beach in Normandy during the 2nd wave.
how awful :'(
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I've looked around and I've already picked out the two guns that I would like to buy. My pistol will be a Walther PPK .357/.38. It's a nice, compact gun with good power and as a fan of the James Bond series it holds a special place in my heart. ;D My revolver will be a Ruger Blackhawk .44 magnum. A great look with that blue steel makeup and the shear ass-kicking that any magnum revolver should have. Both guns will cost about $600 each so it's one at a time for me. Thank you tax return. ;D
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Nice jdurg nice. I personally would love to get a Walther P38 which was the german pistol during WWII. Mainly for historical reasons. As soon as I turn 18 I'm going to purchase my first gun. I've yet to decide, but it won't be expensive. I have a 35lb bow. I'm looking to go up to a 50 or 60 pounder soon. When I first purchase my 35 pounder it was a big step up from the 15 pounder I got way back when I turned 10. So the first arrow I shot when like 10 feet over the target. By the way my 35lb bow isn't a composite. Composite bows are to expensive for me.
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Yeah, I'm pretty psyched. I've found out that I can get my Walther PPK for about $450 and the same for the Ruger Blackhawk. I could potentially get both guns at once, but I think I'll start out with the PPK once my permit is approved and my tax return comes back. ;D
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I am fairly crap with longbows, as I have had just a little practise shooting em, but crossbows are great, I got my (now ex) other half a 50lb pistol-bow this christmas, that went down well, well, it did, just proved a little surprise for the relatives ;D
I am more into blades myself, but I have been thinking of getting myself a pair of neat pistol daggers online, as they are going for about $30, its basically a long, straight bladed dagger, with a flintlock barrel running parallel to the blade.
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A Smith & Wesson model 686 .357 revolver is an excellent choice for home-defense. I would recommend a revolver (you'll find that the spring-loaded cartridges in semis will jam periodically, even on old-reliables like the AK-47 rifle). For target shooting, I was never very accurate with pistols. I stay with carbines (a term for short rifle) and long rifles.
Constant thinker:
Keep in mind that bullet impact depends on three things (KE = 1/2mv^2):
1. the mass of the bullet - diameter typically scales with slug weight
2. muzzle velocity (and this term is squared)
3. how the lead shreds in the target (ie hollow points do more damage on gels).
There are several war rifles that are .22 caliber. The muzzle velocities typically are over 1000 m/s (> 3000 ft/s) and will kill even large game instantly. Pistols generally can't fire over 1,000 ft/s (unless a magnum , ie more powder in a gun with stronger steel). My favorite type of target shooting gun is a "wussy" spring piston airgun (ie Beeman model R9). A piston fires the projectile so you are only handling pellets (albeit lead) and no powder (a much safer situation).
I was always intrigued by gun laws. In New Jersey, to legally buy a gun you have to apply for a gun permit (3 month wait) followed by individual pistol permits (an additional wait). In Louisiana, you can buy rifles off the shelf with a 5 minute background check and pistols require a two day "Brady bill" wait.
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I was always intrigued by gun laws. In New Jersey, to legally buy a gun you have to apply for a gun permit (3 month wait) followed by individual pistol permits (an additional wait). In Louisiana, you can buy rifles off the shelf with a 5 minute background check and pistols require a two day "Brady bill" wait.
And in Europe in general it is very hard to get a permit. In Poland most people are turned down, and those that don't must do a routine psychological check every year or so.
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I don't know anyone with a gun here in Australia (I mean out of my circle of friends, of course there are guns here). I don't think they are popular here like in America, you certainly can't have one for defense of property! The police have guns here and farmers have guns too.
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Went out shooting again today. I'm still in the process of getting my pistol permit but everything's in motion now so it should only take about 8 weeks. In the meantime, it just means that if I want to shoot I have to shoot with a buddy of mine who does have a permit and has the guns. So today I went and fired a rifle for the first time. Of course my friend had me fire a 7mm Magnum Load cartridge which is REALLY friggen powerful so the kickback from the discharge was NUTS. My right shoulder is KILLING me right now from the butt-end of the rifle firing back into me. I will seriously need to build up the tissue there so that the recoil doesn't hurt as much.
After firing the rifle today, I think I realized why I enjoy it so much. Firing a gun evokes a sense of power and control when you fire it, and it is a wonderful display of chemistry and physics. When you pull the trigger, you initiate the decomposition of the lead styphnate primer which then causes the gunpowder to rapidly decompose inside the shell casing. This creates an ENORMOUS amount of pressure which propels the bullet forward while forcing it to spin (rifiling) it at the same time. It's shocking to realize that a bullet, if not stopped by something, could travel for miles after being fired. At the end of my session today, the odor of spent gunpowder is infused in my clothing and skin. I love that smell of sulfur oxides, nitrates, and burned powder. ;D Anyway, my buddy took a photo of me with his cell phone right as I was about to fire.
(https://www.chemicalforums.com/~jdurg/JdurgwithGun.jpg)
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Is it snow behind you?
-25 deg C here, sh*^&*!!!! We are not accustomed to such temperatures.
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Nah. It's just gray concrete. The photo was taken from a cell phone so color balance, contrast, etc. aren't the greatest. :)
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Well Jdurg, you are a VERY LUCKY guy.Why?Because you live in a country with laws like them about guns. In my country, you have to pass ''holy investigation'' for take permission and of course to fill some special criterions.(to prove that your life is in danger e.t.c.)I 'd love to have a gun(a 1910.45 ACP COLT)but this is very difficult and i have not purpose to buy one illegal. Of course i will not mention my dream for obtain a sniper rifle one day.(i also mean 100%leagal-outherwise i dont want it). I saw you in the picture and i am ''jealous''.
In USA i have hear that you can obtain permission even for M-4 or M-16.Is it true?
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Here in the US you're allowed guns for "personal protection" or "hunting". I'm not sure about the M4 or M16 as I haven't really had the urge to research those so I can't give you a good answer there. For guns, I think there are certain states where a .50 caliber round is legal but in most states the highest you're legally allowed to go is a .45. Still, if you are good shooter a .38 is a high enough caliber to make an attacker "dead".
In addition, the process of getting a permit/license and then purchasing a gun is a long, drawn out process. You first have to take a gun safety and training course taught by a licensed instructor. (Typically the instructor has to be a police officer, millitary officer, or an NRA licensed official). After you have completed the course, you then go to your town's police department and ask for an application for a pistol permit. You must fill out the form which pretty much asks you your life history and have the form signed by a notary public. In addition, you MUST include a copy of your birth certificate to prove that you are a legal citizen of the United States. In my town, at least, you also MUST submit three letters of "reccomendation" from three people who have known you for at least three years and are NOT members of your family. Once you've submitted all that, as well as the standard fee, the information is submitted to the FBI and a COMPLETE background search is performed. They will look back throughout your entire life and ensure that you do not have any felonys on your record, or any sexual offense or violent crime. If they find one, they're likely to deny your request for a permit. This process typicaly takes around 8 weeks. If you are approved, you are issued a temporary pistol permit. Within 60 days of receiving a permit you must go to the State Police Department and fill out an application for a permanent pistol permit. This application requires you to be fingerprinted and have yet another background check performed. If it comes out clean your photograph is taken and you are issued a permit which lasts for 5 years after which you must apply for a renewal.
When purchasing a firearm, yet ANOTHER background check goes on and you must wait a minimum number of days before you can actually take possession of it. While it may seem like the gun laws are very lax, they are actually pretty damned strict. You can't just go into a gun store and pick out your merchandise and take it home the same day.
After all the shooting I've done recently, I really think that I'm happiest with about a .357/.38 caliber load. I really see no need for a higher powered load in a gun as the .357/.38 is plenty powerful. I still plan on getting my Walther PPK SS .357/.38 pistol and a Ruger 7.5" .45 Magnum Load Revolver.
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the process of getting a permit/license and then purchasing a gun is a long, drawn out process.
Is it always the same regardless of state? I thought there are large differences in gun availability, especially between eastern and western states.
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There are HUGE differences from state to state. In addition, not all states will recognize the laws of another state, so if you're driving across state borders with a gun in your automobile you better be sure of the laws in BOTH states. States like Montana and Texas have gun laws which are quite a bit different than in other states. The only common trait amongst all the states is the waiting period you need to go through before bringing a gun home and the FBI background check that is done before a permit is issued.
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You can now legally purchase and M16 and guns like it. Some states, but not all band anything over .45. In New Hampshire as far as I'm aware of there is no limit. It used to be illegal to by assault rifles, but not illegal to own according to federal law. Now you can legally purchase one. Some states have really lax gun laws because guns are used very often. The farming states I'm talking about. North Eastern states (and California) tend to have stricter laws. Key word there is tend. It's one thing to own a gun and have a permit to own, but it's a whole other thing to have a permit to carry a gun in public (like walking down the street or in major public venues). Getting a permit to carry a gun in public is a lot harder than to just own one.
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Wow, there's a lot of bulls&$# flying around here. Here we go:
Here in the US you're allowed guns for "personal protection" or "hunting".
You don't need a reason. You can buy a gun just because you want one, state laws permitting. I own four.
In USA i have hear that you can obtain permission even for M-4 or M-16.Is it true?
In something like 38 states, you can own a real machinegun such as an M-16. You have to fill out a lot of paperwork and do a lot of crap, though. Google "NFA Laws" if you want to read about it.
Many rifles that are semi-automatic versions of select fire or full-auto weapons are still allowed. This includes guns like the AR-15. I own one and have included a picture of myself shooting it (with my face censored out).
For guns, I think there are certain states where a .50 caliber round is legal but in most states the highest you're legally allowed to go is a .45.
Incorrect. The federal limit is .50 inches, although this is excepted in the .600 Nitro Express and sporting shotguns. Larger are usually considered destructive devices under the NFA. Next, only one state has outlawed .50 caliber weapons, and only one cartridge--the .50 BMG. This round is incredibly powerful, heads and shoulders away from the next nearest neighbor. This is meant to be fired in an anti-tank rifle. Only California has made it illegal. in 49 other states, you can buy a rifle that fires this round.
Still, if you are good shooter a .38 is a high enough caliber to make an attacker "dead".
It is all about shot placement. Any bullet will kill. .22 LR is one of the most deadly cartriges out there because of its tendency to fragment on impact, richocet around inside the body and not to exit if it hits bone.
The .22 is the smallest bullet
There are several smaller cartridges out there, some quite popular. The .17 HMR comes to mind. The .22 is probably the most common of all cartridges, though.
In addition, the process of getting a permit/license and then purchasing a gun is a long, drawn out process.
This is completely state dependent. I walked into a store and bought my guns with cash, walking out within 10 minutes. That's Missouri. California doesn't require near the background check that your state seems to, nor even one as good as Missouri, despite their ridiculous gun laws.
You can now legally purchase and M16 and guns like it.
Always could. The M16 is a machinegun and was never affected by the 'assault weapons ban'. The assault weapons ban did nothing. You could still buy an AR-15, just without a bayonet lug or flash suppressor on it--thus making the rifle more accurate, ironically.
It used to be illegal to by assault rifles, but not illegal to own according to federal law. Now you can legally purchase one.
This is some jumbled thinking about the assault weapons ban and is simply incorrect, not to mention meaningless.
It's one thing to own a gun and have a permit to own, but it's a whole other thing to have a permit to carry a gun in public (like walking down the street or in major public venues)
This is also incorrect. MOST states have what is called an 'open carry' policy--meaning if you legally own a gun, you can carry it as long as you're not threatening people with it and as long as it's not concealed. Missouri is this way. You can carry a gun anywhere you want non concealed except places like schools, stadiums, courthouses, etc. California used to be this way until the Black Panthers marched on the capitol in the 1970s. Now, you may be thinking of concealed weapons, which generally require one to obtain a permit first. Only Alaska and Vermont do not require permits to carry a concealed weapon.
Jdurg--for your first gun, I'd recommend a Smith & Wesson .357 Magnum. I say S&W because they generally have excellent resale values if you take care of them and they make a quality revolver. Second, you can also shoot .38 special out of a .357 Mag revolver. Any of the magnum cartridges are expensive--and the .38 is a lot cheaper. Shooting can get real expensive real quick. Also, if you shoot .38 special out of the .357, try to use lead bullets (i.e., not copper-jacketed) because jacketed rounds will erode the throat of the cylinder over time due to the slightly shorter cartridge length. My dad owns an old .357 S&W--it's a blast to shoot. My friend owns a Ruger security six, a .357 in stainless steel that's great as well. It's a fantastic round. One of our friends owns a walther PPK--actually from WWII--his dad brought it back from Germany. He took it off a dead officer, and it still has the Waffenmarks on it. I don't like it much--it's very small and doesn't fit my hands well, but it's a really neat gun. Those came in .32 and .380--NOT .38 special. .38 special is a revolver load. The .32 and the .380 are much less hefty rounds than the .38 special. The 9mm is also a rather lean round when it comes to power--its great advantage comes in the fact that it is usually loaded into a semi-automatic pistol; this allows for greater firepower (i.e., more round capacity and higher rate of fire).
The .44 Magnum is great, but is very expensive and you won't want to fire it all day--it will get too heavy very quickly and it will beat your hands. I would not recommend it as a first gun. If you want the real Dirty Harry gun, it is a Smith and Wesson Model 29--blued, not stainless.
Next, the Remington 7mm is one of the hottest loades on the market. It's a real b$*%( to shoot. I've shot a .300 Winchester Magnum, and it's not a lot of fun either. I shot one 4 times without a recoil pad and broke capillaries in my shoulder.
As for my guns, in case you're wondering, I own an 8mm (7.91 x 57mm) Mauser K98 from WWII--still has the Waffenmarks on it. It's fantastic. I'll include a picture if I can. I also own a Colt AR-15, a 10mm Glock and a replica of the 1873 Colt Model P (The Peacemaker) in .45 Long Colt. The single action Colt is a fantastic gun to shoot. I'll post a picture of these, too, if I can.
Lemme know how it goes. Be happy to answer any questions you may about firearms in general. Happy shooting!
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Here's my Mauser.
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And my Glock and Colt .45. If you can't tell which is which, you haven't done enough reading.
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There is not much difference in handling between the M16 and the AR15.
The only thing is the AR15 is more likely to jam under intense firing and that's why the AR15 has a little piston lodge on the side to help clear any jam.
I handled both rifles before. It is quite cool to set the rifle to automatic mode. The rapid firing is way cool than the subtle semi-automatic mode.
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Geodome--
I haven't heard that about the AR-15. As for the forward assist, it has been on all M-16s and AR-15s since after the first model (which had problems with the bolt closing). Several rifles have been called AR-15s, some even select fire, so I'm really talking about the new semi-auto model. But you're quite right--the M-16 really shoots just the same, because it is basically the same gun.
You are not allowed to own such (or any) guns in Singapore, right?
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I LOVE that Colt there HMX. That's the exact look I was looking for in getting my revolver. The Ruger I was looking at had the same blued look to it with the 7.5" barrel, hence my reason for wanting to get one. I just like the older styled pistols/revolvers out there.
My comment earlier about .50 caliber rounds being illegal was in regards to hanguns. Here in Connecticut at least, you CANNOT own a .50 caliber handgun. The laws relating to handguns and other firearms are completely different, for some odd reason. An example of this is that I could go right now into any gun store and purchase a shotgun or rifle and not have to have any background checks or procedures run against me. I could take it out of the store with me, pick up some ammo and go to the shooting range. For a hangun, you have to get the permits and go through the waiting period, etc. etc.
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If you're going to get a single action army revolver (like the Colt), get either a real Colt ($$, http://www.coltsmfg.com/cmci/revolvers.asp), or get a Cimarron (http://www.cimarron-firearms.com/), which is cheaper but still has the same action. The Ruger Vaquero doesn't have the original action (cylinder turning is a pain in the ass), although it can hold a hotter charge. The Colts are expensive, but the Cimarrons are around $400-500 new, depending on what you want.
Anyway, yeah, state to state varies a lot. Out here in CA, you can have a .50 handgun, but not a .50 BMG rifle. Weird. I shot a .50 AE Desert Eagle and a .500 S&W Magnum last time I was out at the range. Pretty scary to shoot, really.
If you want sort of an overview of state laws, check out the NRA's website:
http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/Default.aspx
I know they're biased, but their law reports are factual, considering they don't want anyone to get arrested with a gun.
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Yeah, I can imagine the kickback on a .50 magnum load revolver would be a bit disconcerting. The instructor in my training course told the story of some woman at a course he taught out west firing a .50 caliber magnum and having the gun fly out of her hand due to the kickback. (This was a while back).
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hmx9123 in regards to the M16, are you sure your not confusing it with the M60. The M16 is definatly and assault rifle. The AR-15 was it's predecessor. The M16 and AR-15 look a lot a like. The M60 on the other hand is definately a machine gun.
M16
http://images.military.com/Data/EQG/M16-1.jpg
AR-15, picture was already provided.
hmx9123, I also like your gun collection.
In genral farming states tend to have lax gun laws and driving age laws too. In Idaho I think it is (maybe Iowa) you can get a learner's permit and 14.
hmx9123, you seam very familiar with gun laws. I'll take your word on the concealment thing. I'm only familiar with gun laws around New Hampshire and from talking with my cousin who owns an AR-15 and an AK-47. He was grandfathered in because he bought the guns before they were banned and he told me both of them were banned because he couldn't buy any new magazines for them.
I also did not know they made a .17 caliber bullet. I have never seen it. Also buckshot was being left out of everything I've said so far because it's many small bullets. As far as the .50 caliber ban in California goes I did not know that it refered to only the .50 BMG. I thought it refered to all .50 caliber weapons. I've heard of the bullets from those ripping through engine blocks!!!!! :o That's crazy.
P.S. The mauser looks beautiful.
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Well, I was talking about the NFA definition of a machinegun--that is, any weapon capable of firing more than one round of fixed ammuntion with one pull of the trigger. I agree, it is not a heavy or even a light machine gun by military definition--it is what the true definition of an assault rifle is--a submachinegun capable of select fire of a smaller cartridge. There's a lot of definitions to keep up with in terms of the legislation.
The AR-15 wasn't a predecessor--but the problem is that some of the AR-15s made in the 1970s were select fire--thus making them the exact same as an M-16. Many national guard rifles used in Vietnam were that way. The M-16 has always been select fire. The AR-15 is now, and usually was then, a semi-auto only. However, some of the ARs produced for the national guard were select fire. As I understand it, it was a different model number, and there were some small differences in parts, such as a moly versus a chromium barrel coating, and a heavier barrel. I'm not for sure on this, though.
Thanks for the comments on the guns. The mauser is a gas to shoot. It was made in 1944 in Germany. Pretty amazing piece of history. The really amazing thing about the gun is the shape it's in--something hard to tell from the crappy picture I have of it. The whole thing is nearly packed in grease new--the bolt is incredibly tight and there is no sloppiness at all. The gun is devastatingly accurate, too.
Yeah, if you include birdshot, then there's a lot under .22 caliber. The .17 Remington and .17 HMR are the most common uner .22 in terms of rifles, though. I saw the world's smallest gun at a gun show once, though--a 1.7mm cartridge. Total crackup.
The .50 BMG is just an incredible round. Think of this comparison: the muzzle energy from a .44 magnum is around 1400 ft.-lbs. with a really hot load. The .50 BMG has 14,000 ft.-lbs. Depending on the type of bullet, it may very well have gone through an engine block, especially if it were made from aluminum and from a small car. It's not going to to through a diesel engine or anything, but it is still an incredibly powerful round. Somewhere on the internet someone posted a video of someone shooting a running lawnmower with a .50 BMG--the lawnmower lurched, and then it had a hole in it the size of a basketball. Kind of amusing, really.
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Firing guns is a really good way to "feel" physics. That whole shpeil about 'for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction' has never held truer then when that 7mm magnum load went off. With, what I have now been informed, is a 4,700 ft/s velocity at the muzzle with a 170 grain bullet, the force needed to push that bullet at that speed is definitely a nice large one. Hence the pretty severe recoil into my shoulder which took on a nice yellow/purple color over the next couple of days. ;D
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This is hilarious. It's the lawn mower video I mentioned earlier. It's also a keen demonstration of Newton's Second Law of motion that jdurg mentioned.
http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/images/bfg50_vs_lawnmower.mpg
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That video is awesome! That's pretty funny. What I like about guns is as jdurg says the physics. It's kind of intresting how something so small (relatively speaking) can carry so much energy. Plus it's just fun to shoot at targets and see how good you are.
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Not to breathe life back into a dead thread, but I think this is most appropriate here. This is the sign on the gun range I went to in Reno, NV a few weekends ago. We saw a guy shooting an UZI on the range there.
BTW, jdurg, what did you wind up buying? I'm curious. I'm currently looking for an M1A (the semi-auto version of the old M14), but I don't know when I'll be buying such a beast.
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Not to breathe life back into a dead thread, but I think this is most appropriate here. This is the sign on the gun range I went to in Reno, NV a few weekends ago. We saw a guy shooting an UZI on the range there.
BTW, jdurg, what did you wind up buying? I'm curious. I'm currently looking for an M1A (the semi-auto version of the old M14), but I don't know when I'll be buying such a beast.
Haven't picked up anything yet. :( My hometown REQUIRES three letters of reccomendation in order to apply for a pistol permit and I've been able to get one of my friends to get off his ass and write the letter for me. In addition, I'm in a bit of an "icky" situation at work and have been working 50 hour work weeks lately and just haven't had time to look further into it. I still plan on getting myself a nice Walther PPK as well as a Ruger Magnum. Not 100% set in stone on the calibers yet. ;D