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Title: find the integrated rate law
Post by: XxslbabesxX on February 06, 2006, 10:09:04 PM
I have to find the integrated rate law and rate law. I am given the following info:

Time (s)     {C6H6] (mol/L)
195                  1.6x10-2
604                  1.5x10-2
1246                1.3x10-2
2180                1.1x10-2
6210                0.68x10-2

How would I find out if this is a first order reaction or a second order reaction with the given information? I tried graphing the data on my calculator, but that didn't work out. Any help would be very greatly appreciated.
Title: Re:Rate Laws
Post by: Mitch on February 06, 2006, 10:47:25 PM
Doesn't these rate law problems involve a chemical equation of some sort?
Title: Re: find the integrated rate law
Post by: XxslbabesxX on February 06, 2006, 10:53:02 PM
Whoops, I'm sorry lol There was more info given:

2C4H6---->C8H12


Assume that Rate=Delta C4H6 over Delta T (time)
Title: Re: find the integrated rate law
Post by: mike on February 06, 2006, 11:01:52 PM
Can you try plotting:

ln[] versus time   -----> first order will give a straight line graph with negative slope

and


1/[] versus time ------> second order will give a straight line graph with a positive slope.
Title: Re: find the integrated rate law
Post by: XxslbabesxX on February 06, 2006, 11:11:05 PM
I guess I'm most likely doing something wrong, but when I plot it with ln[] versus time I get a straight line with a neg. slope and when I plot it with 1/[] versus time I get a straight line w/ a pos. slope.

According to the back of my textbook the naswer is a a second order reaction, but I just can't seem to find out why.

Title: Re: find the integrated rate law
Post by: mike on February 06, 2006, 11:22:10 PM
I graphed the same data and although they both look straight the second order graph fits the data much better than the first. I did it in excel if that helps.
Title: Re: find the integrated rate law
Post by: XxslbabesxX on February 07, 2006, 07:00:46 PM
Thanks....I plotted it again on my calculator, but both still look equally equal.

If anyone knows any other way to determine the order, I would love to know:)
Title: Re: find the integrated rate law
Post by: Donaldson Tan on February 10, 2006, 11:43:58 AM
your calculator has a small display area. it won't be able to show how well the first order and 2nd order models fit the experimental data. do it on excel or other graphing software on the computer.