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Title: Identifying Processes of Addition, elimination, substitution, halogenation...
Post by: joshphillips1977 on December 08, 2013, 04:30:59 PM
Please I have no idea how to start this any and all advice would be Greatly appreciated.
This my study guide for this weeks final, NOT homework!
Title: Re: Identifying Processes of Addition, elimination, substitution, halogenation...
Post by: Arkcon on December 08, 2013, 04:53:21 PM
Can you really do not even one?  Halogenation ... what does that mean?  Is any one of them obviously that, and so can be removed from the list?  Always try to do easy things like that first when you have a set of problems like this.  At least try to start.
Title: Re: Identifying Processes of Addition, elimination, substitution, halogenation...
Post by: joshphillips1977 on December 08, 2013, 05:39:37 PM
Can you really do not even one?  Halogenation ... what does that mean?  Is any one of them obviously that, and so can be removed from the list?  Always try to do easy things like that first when you have a set of problems like this.  At least try to start.
I think that number 4 is Dehydration but I am not sure. As far as eliminating halogenation,  one of them should be halogenation because the instructions say to only use each answer one time. "Halogenation is a chemical reaction that involves the reaction of a compound with a halogen and results in the halogen being adding to the compound" I have no experience with any of this which is why I am asking. I appreciate your help as well I am here to work it out...
Title: Re: Identifying Processes of Addition, elimination, substitution, halogenation...
Post by: joshphillips1977 on December 08, 2013, 05:45:17 PM
attempt at one
Title: Re: Identifying Processes of Addition, elimination, substitution, halogenation...
Post by: Arkcon on December 08, 2013, 05:46:34 PM
Good.  Now.  What's a halogen?  That is an easy definition to find out.
Title: Re: Identifying Processes of Addition, elimination, substitution, halogenation...
Post by: joshphillips1977 on December 08, 2013, 05:52:07 PM
a group in the periodic table consisting of five chemically related elements, fluorine (F), chlorine (Cl), bromine (Br), iodine (I), and astatine (At).
Title: Re: Identifying Processes of Addition, elimination, substitution, halogenation...
Post by: joshphillips1977 on December 08, 2013, 05:54:19 PM
So number one is halogenation then?
Title: Re: Identifying Processes of Addition, elimination, substitution, halogenation...
Post by: Borek on December 08, 2013, 06:04:35 PM
Four to go.
Title: Re: Identifying Processes of Addition, elimination, substitution, halogenation...
Post by: joshphillips1977 on December 08, 2013, 06:25:13 PM
Okay so how do I go about finding out about addition, substitution, elimination and dehydration synthesis? I mean let''s say I google addition it's gonna bring up stuff about math...
Title: Re: Identifying Processes of Addition, elimination, substitution, halogenation...
Post by: Arkcon on December 08, 2013, 06:30:52 PM
True enough, but what does the word 'addition' mean?  In common English, I mean to say.  It doesn't just mean the adding of two numbers.  You can make an 'addition' of sugar to coffee, if you want to.  Which reaction in your picture looks like something was added?  More important, which ones don't look like that?

Are you beginning, at least, to realize that you didn't really have no idea what to do, when you started this problem?
Title: Re: Identifying Processes of Addition, elimination, substitution, halogenation...
Post by: joshphillips1977 on December 08, 2013, 06:39:45 PM
Okay so it looks as if number 6 adds 2H but what about the Other O.
And number 3 looks like it substitutes O for an S?
Title: Re: Identifying Processes of Addition, elimination, substitution, halogenation...
Post by: discodermolide on December 08, 2013, 07:08:41 PM
So addition and substitution reactions then.
Title: Re: Identifying Processes of Addition, elimination, substitution, halogenation...
Post by: joshphillips1977 on December 08, 2013, 07:14:57 PM
Okay so if number 6 is an addition reaction what about the the O?
Title: Re: Identifying Processes of Addition, elimination, substitution, halogenation...
Post by: discodermolide on December 08, 2013, 07:16:18 PM
What is the problem with the O?
Title: Re: Identifying Processes of Addition, elimination, substitution, halogenation...
Post by: joshphillips1977 on December 08, 2013, 07:21:34 PM
No problem it's just double bonded on the left side...
Title: Re: Identifying Processes of Addition, elimination, substitution, halogenation...
Post by: discodermolide on December 08, 2013, 07:25:19 PM
It is technically a reduction, i.e. the substitution of 2 hydrogens.
Title: Re: Identifying Processes of Addition, elimination, substitution, halogenation...
Post by: joshphillips1977 on December 08, 2013, 07:30:40 PM
so number six is a substitution then?? Is it because the two H's take the place of the O?
Title: Re: Identifying Processes of Addition, elimination, substitution, halogenation...
Post by: discodermolide on December 08, 2013, 07:36:42 PM
The O is still there, the C=O had been substituted by the hydrogens.
HC=O to CH2OH.
Title: Re: Identifying Processes of Addition, elimination, substitution, halogenation...
Post by: joshphillips1977 on December 08, 2013, 07:44:41 PM
Okay so it is an addition because the O is still there the only things that changed were the double bonded C=O and the addition of 2 H's right?
Title: Re: Identifying Processes of Addition, elimination, substitution, halogenation...
Post by: discodermolide on December 08, 2013, 07:49:42 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Identifying Processes of Addition, elimination, substitution, halogenation...
Post by: joshphillips1977 on December 08, 2013, 07:59:32 PM
Awesome!
Okay so #2 and #5 seem like they could be either elimination or Dehydration synthesis, the only difference is the Oxygen which does seem to be eliminated whereas in # two it appears to be just H that is being removed during the reaction...
Title: Re: Identifying Processes of Addition, elimination, substitution, halogenation...
Post by: discodermolide on December 08, 2013, 08:04:48 PM
2 would seem to be an elimination of H2.
5 can be classified as an elimination of water or a de-hydration.
Title: Re: Identifying Processes of Addition, elimination, substitution, halogenation...
Post by: joshphillips1977 on December 08, 2013, 09:33:19 PM
I have them as:
1. halogenation
2. Elimination
3. Substitution
4. Dehydration Synthesis
5. Dehydration
6. Addition

Am I close?
Title: Re: Identifying Processes of Addition, elimination, substitution, halogenation...
Post by: discodermolide on December 08, 2013, 09:37:42 PM
I think that's ok now.