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General Forums => Generic Discussion => Topic started by: DavidMunroeArt on April 21, 2014, 06:38:02 PM
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Hey everyone, First of all if this in the wrong place, please let me know and i will happily change it, Im new here and im just looking for some advice and help from people far more knowledgeable about chemicals than i am.
Im a fluid artist looking for advice on chemicals that can be used safely together with opposing viscosity's or fluids that when mixed together cause visual chemical reactions that could be manipulated when used in combination with paint.
For example.. Bicarbonate of Soda and Vinegar, Oil and Water.
I hope this is okay to post here and i hope someone can help. And i realize its not a typical chemistry type question but i believe i have exhausted every other way of seeking the information. I have tried using most typical artists materials like epoxy resins and water based paints, oil varnishes with polyurethane varnishes mixed with paints etc, solvents and lacquers too, but have been searching for some chemical based combinations that might result in interesting outcomes. I just don't know where to look and my research into materials has hit a wall due to my lack of knowledge and understanding of chemistry and biology. Any suggestions and advice would be very greatly welcomed and appreciated.
Thank you in advance to anyone who might know some combinations i could try.
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Anyone at all?
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This is quite ambiguous, it is not clear what you are looking for, so you probably won't get any answers.
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This is quite ambiguous, it is not clear what you are looking for, so you probably won't get any answers.
Really not sure how you can describe the post as ambiguous as i have described in detail what im looking for, what else could there be?
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What is
opposing viscosity
What do you mean by
visual chemical reactions that could be manipulated when used in combination with paint.
Could be my English fails me, but I can't make much sense from these statements.
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What is
opposing viscosity
Viscosity is the level of thickness or denseness in liquids
What do you mean by
visual chemical reactions that could be manipulated when used in combination with paint.
Could be my English fails me, but I can't make much sense from these statements.
Im looking for chemical reactions that i can use in paints so the reaction takes place, possibly manipulating the paint in unusual ways. think of oil on water for example
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When I read your original post all I could think was, "WWYOD?" I'm not on close terms with her or any other widows of the Beatles, but I'll ask some of the cooler scientists I know if they've seen innovative artworks using science principles.
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When I read you original post all I could think was, "WWYOD?" I'm not on close terms with her or any other widows of the Beatles, but I'll ask some of the cooler scientists I know if they've seen innovative artworks using science principles.
I think your reply will click into place in my mind and ill instantly understand what you meant when you tell me one thing... what does WWYOD mean?
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When I read you original post all I could think was, "WWYOD?" I'm not on close terms with her or any other widows of the Beatles, but I'll ask some of the cooler scientists I know if they've seen innovative artworks using science principles.
nevermind. i got it after like 2 seconds of re-reading your post. Thank you man, any help of suggestions you could give would really help me out here, thanks again
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Would you consider something like slime
http://chemistry.about.com/od/letsmakeslime/tp/slimerecipes.htm
you might GOOGLE
diy ferrofluid
Are you associated with this
http://www.davidmunroeart.com/fluid-art.html
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Would you consider something like slime
http://chemistry.about.com/od/letsmakeslime/tp/slimerecipes.htm
you might GOOGLE
diy ferrofluid
Are you associated with this
http://www.davidmunroeart.com/fluid-art.html
Hi Billnotgatez
Thanks so much for your message, Yes thats my website.
Ive checked out the ferrofluid slime link you added, Its pretty cool but im really looking for something of a more liquid consistancy that can be perhaps mixed with paint so that when combined with another mixture of paint and chemical would react together, Perhaps forcing the paint to distribute the pigment around the canvas. I know its an unusual request and i really appreciate your help.
Ive been looking into nitro cellulose lacquer that dries quickly forcing the normal paint to be moved by the drying process or Borax powder that forces the paint to float on the top of warm water so the canvas can be dipped into the mixture covering the canvas in a fluid style pattern. The way they paint guitars and motorcycle engines.
I hope this helps and thanks again, i really appreciate your suggestions.
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Any ideas guys. I could really use some suggestions if anyone could share some info
thanks again :)
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I am still searching for an answer for you, but currently have limited time here.
Will try to get back to you on this later.
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Hi David, looked at your website and thought that I might chip in something probably very useless but maybe not. Potassium aluminium sulphate, which is not difficult to make at all, is used, amongst many other things, for paper marbling. See here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_marbling. Now I know this is not what you are looking for but maybe it might be of interest or not. You may innovate from here who knows? Anyway, worth a try. Good luck David. I should have added, scroll down to the paragraph: Art.
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Hi David, looked at your website and thought that I might chip in something probably very useless but maybe not. Potassium aluminium sulphate, which is not difficult to make at all, is used, amongst many other things, for paper marbling. See here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_marbling. Now I know this is not what you are looking for but maybe it might be of interest or not. You may innovate from here who knows? Anyway, worth a try. Good luck David. I should have added, scroll down to the paragraph: Art.
Thank you so much! I will look into this straight away. I really appreciate your help :D
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I am still searching for an answer for you, but currently have limited time here.
Will try to get back to you on this later.
No problem, your help means a lot to me and i appreciate that your busy so please take your time. thanks again
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I work with glazes that flow in different ways when I do pottery and the interactive chemistry influences that feature. However, several other factors also have influence that are not controllable such as exact temperature for each piece. So my experience in making thing flow is limited.
As for the chemists here, it is likely that they can give you some ideas, but you would have to do the experimenting.
So here are some ideas from a general point of view
If you are working with oil paints, surfactants will likely have an effect on them
I think that Borax as you mentioned has some of those properties plus more.
I could see you using a surfactant and spinning your canvas to get an effect.
You might look up emulsifiers and combine water with oil using them.
I suggested ed the ferrofluid because it might be able to be made with oil paint and magnetic material. Then you could use the movement of magnets to create a pattern.
I was thinking of how dropping paint onto a canvas surface would look if you soaked the canvas in an non polar solvent.
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Now here is the rub
how are you going to cure the painting after the flowing is done, so that it will have some durability to it. I suppose you could take photos of it and use that as the art.
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Just some starting thoughts.
But you will have to do some leg work
For instance I mentioned non polar solvents
You will have to WIKI and GOOGLE to figure out which might be best.
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your
Detailed Original Blue Fluid Painting inspired by water
was interesting to me as well as your other fluid pieces
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Thats awesome. So much to look into and experiment with. Thank you
This must have taken you some time and i know you are busy with your own commitments, so thank you for taking the time to help me out. Im really interested in your suggestion of Surfactants and Emulsifiers and will look into them now as well as they other materials suggested
Thanks again, Ill let you know what i come up with and maybe some images of my work from what weve discussed.
David :)