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Title: Chemical Formula for Potassium Iodide-Iodate
Post by: Sis290025 on April 02, 2006, 09:44:46 AM
What is the chemical formula for a potassium iodide-iodate solution? I know that potassium iodide is KI and potassium iodate is KIO3.

Thank you for any help.
Title: Re:Chemical Formula for Potassium Iodide-Iodate
Post by: Alberto_Kravina on April 02, 2006, 09:46:20 AM
Iodide is oxidized to elementar iodine with iodate.
Title: Re:Chemical Formula for Potassium Iodide-Iodate
Post by: Sis290025 on April 02, 2006, 10:05:29 AM
From that, is this setup even remotely correct?

KI + KIO3 --> I2

(I'm trying to understand the oxidation in this situation. Thanks.)
Title: Re:Chemical Formula for Potassium Iodide-Iodate
Post by: Alberto_Kravina on April 02, 2006, 10:14:57 AM
From that, is this setup even remotely correct?

KI + KIO3 --> I2

(I'm trying to understand the oxidation in this situation. Thanks.)
Yeah! Remotely correct! Try to write two half-reactions!
Title: Re:Chemical Formula for Potassium Iodide-Iodate
Post by: Sis290025 on April 02, 2006, 04:02:07 PM
I am assuming that this solution is in a basic solution and not acidic:

IO3- + I- --> I2

a. Oxidized: IO3- --> I2
b. Reduced: I- --> I2

a. IO3- --> I2
 12OH- + 12H+ + 2IO3- --> I2  + 6H2O
10e- + 12H2O + + 2IO3- --> I2 + 6H2O + 12OH-
10e- + 6H2O + 2IO3- --> I2 + 12OH-

b. I- --> I2
2I- --> I2
2I- --> I2 + 2e-
5(2I- --> I2 + 2e-)= 10I- --> 5I2 +10e-


10e- + 6H2O + 2IO3- --> I2 + 12OH-
10I- --> 5I2 +10e-
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6H2O + 2IO3- + 10I- --> I2 + 12OH- + 5I2 ???




Thanks.
 

Title: Re:Chemical Formula for Potassium Iodide-Iodate
Post by: Albert on April 02, 2006, 04:07:34 PM
I am assuming that this solution is in a basic solution and not acidic:

WHY?!

Quote
IO3- --> I2


This reaction takes place in acidic conditions.
Title: Re:Chemical Formula for Potassium Iodide-Iodate
Post by: Sis290025 on April 02, 2006, 04:12:26 PM
Why does it take place under acidic conditions? I don't understand that part.



Thanks again.

Now that this is the method for a potassium iodide-iodate solution, how do I write the equation for the reaction between this iodide-iodate solution with sulfuric acid, H2SO4?
Title: Re:Chemical Formula for Potassium Iodide-Iodate
Post by: Albert on April 02, 2006, 04:36:49 PM
I read your previous post again. The equation WAS balanced also under basic conditions. However, when I performed this very titration, I carried it out under acidic condition. Moreover, it's easier to balance reactions this way.  ;)
Title: Re:Chemical Formula for Potassium Iodide-Iodate
Post by: Albert on April 02, 2006, 04:52:20 PM
Now that this is the method for a potassium iodide-iodate solution, how do I write the equation for the reaction between this iodide-iodate solution with sulfuric acid, H2SO4?

I think it's just potassium iodide which reacts with sulfuric acid.
Title: Re:Chemical Formula for Potassium Iodide-Iodate
Post by: Borek on April 02, 2006, 05:12:41 PM
Oxyacids oxidation potential is higher in low pH, that's whay they are used in solutions of strong acids. Cl- gets easily oxidized to Cl2, so sulfuric acid is preferred over hydrochloric for solution acidification.
Title: Re:Chemical Formula for Potassium Iodide-Iodate
Post by: Sis290025 on April 02, 2006, 06:22:08 PM
Basically, I'm trying to find the molarity of a titrant sodium thiosulfate solution (containing NaOH and Na2S2O3) through standardization in which a mixture of H2SO4 and the potassium iodide-iodate solution, along with starch indicator, are involved.

The setup of equations is giving some difficulty. Can anyone direct me, or give me hints, on how to write out the equations involved, so I can eventually find the molarity?

Thanks for any help.
Title: Re:Chemical Formula for Potassium Iodide-Iodate
Post by: Borek on April 02, 2006, 06:42:48 PM
IO3- + I- + H+ -> I2 + H2O

I2 + S2O32- -> I- + S4O62-

Note these are not balanced.
Title: Re:Chemical Formula for Potassium Iodide-Iodate
Post by: Sis290025 on April 02, 2006, 06:56:05 PM
To balance them, how can I tell if it is a basic or an acidic condition?

To find the molarity, I would use the ratio of mol of IO3- to mol S2O3(2+)?

 
Title: Re:Chemical Formula for Potassium Iodide-Iodate
Post by: Borek on April 02, 2006, 07:05:09 PM
Both go in low pH, but it doesn't matter, just balance them.

Amount od iodine produced is defined by mass of iodate used, rest is simple stoichiometry.
Title: Re:Chemical Formula for Potassium Iodide-Iodate
Post by: Sis290025 on April 02, 2006, 08:16:24 PM
For second part,

I2 --> 2I-
2e- + I2 --> 2I-

2S2O3(2-) --> S4O6(2-) + 2e-
2e- + I2 --> 2I-
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2S2O3(2-) + I2 --> 2I- + S4O6(2-)

First part:
using change-in-oxidation method-

IO3- + 5I- +6H+ --> 3I2 + 3H2O ???


Title: Re:Chemical Formula for Potassium Iodide-Iodate
Post by: Borek on April 03, 2006, 03:29:45 AM
Both OK :)
Title: Re:Chemical Formula for Potassium Iodide-Iodate
Post by: Sis290025 on April 03, 2006, 06:45:51 AM
Now that the equations are balanced, I am still unsure of how to use the stoichiometry since there are two separate equations  :-[. How do I connect them?

Thanks again.
Title: Re:Chemical Formula for Potassium Iodide-Iodate
Post by: Borek on April 03, 2006, 08:11:32 AM
You should know mass of iodate used - use it to calculate how much iodine was produced in the first reaction. This is the amount used in the second part.
Title: Re:Chemical Formula for Potassium Iodide-Iodate
Post by: Sis290025 on April 03, 2006, 02:20:36 PM
An already prepared 0.00125 M potassium iodide-iodate solution was used. Does this mean that the mass is 0.00125 mol of iodate to start off?

Thanks again.
Title: Re:Chemical Formula for Potassium Iodide-Iodate
Post by: Borek on April 03, 2006, 02:38:17 PM
n=CV

Is it 0.00125 iodide, 0.00125 iodate, or both? Usually iodide is used in small excess.
Title: Re:Chemical Formula for Potassium Iodide-Iodate
Post by: Sis290025 on April 03, 2006, 03:00:46 PM
Well, I suppose it is both since the chemical bottle is labelled potassium iodide-iodate, but I don't know how many grams of iodate or iodide was used to create the solution's molarity.
Title: Re:Chemical Formula for Potassium Iodide-Iodate
Post by: Borek on April 03, 2006, 03:27:34 PM
I think you should assume it is 0.00125 in both. atlhough that's probably not true. Still, n=CV holds.
Title: Re:Chemical Formula for Potassium Iodide-Iodate
Post by: Sis290025 on April 03, 2006, 09:04:25 PM
So to find the more accurate number of moles, I would let

n = 0.00125 M*.2 L of iodide-iodate solution used = mol of IO3- instead of mol IO3- = 0.00125 M?

Then, mol of IO3-(3 mol I2/1 mol IO3-)*(2 mol S2O3 (2-)/1mol I2) = mol of  S2O3 (2-)

M of sodium thiosulfate = mol of  S2O3 (2-)/ L of titrant used

Thanks again.
Title: Re:Chemical Formula for Potassium Iodide-Iodate
Post by: Sis290025 on April 04, 2006, 11:44:49 AM
Is the above method correct?

Any help is greatly appreciated.
Title: Re:Chemical Formula for Potassium Iodide-Iodate
Post by: Borek on April 04, 2006, 11:49:02 AM
Seems OK. Where did you get 0.2L from - I don't recall this value posted earlier. Is it the volume of the iodide/iodate solution used?
Title: Re:Chemical Formula for Potassium Iodide-Iodate
Post by: Sis290025 on April 04, 2006, 12:22:21 PM
Yes, 200 mL of the solution was used. As a matter of fact, it was 20 mL of 0.0125 M of potassium iodide-iodate solution plus 180 mL of H2O to create 0.00125 M of potassium iodide-iodate . . .  
Title: Re: Chemical Formula for Potassium Iodide-Iodate
Post by: Sis290025 on April 12, 2006, 05:26:33 AM
Quote
IO3- + I- + H+ -> I2 + H2O

I2 + S2O32- -> I- + S4O62-

Note these are not balanced.


How did you setup, or get, these equations?

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Chemical Formula for Potassium Iodide-Iodate
Post by: Borek on April 12, 2006, 05:43:43 AM
They are published in most analytical chemistry books, they can be also googled in less then 30 seconds.