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Title: Thermodynamics: Consider air expansion inside a cylinder.
Post by: karol.s on March 27, 2016, 05:43:31 PM
Consider air expansion inside a cylinder. Assume that the volume and initial pressure is 1 ft^3 and 1500 PSI ABS respectively. If the expansion process is reversible and the path is given by P.V^1.4=constant. Calculate the total work done by the gas to reach the final volume of 8 ft^3, express the result in BTU if used:
a) The Van der Waals equation: (P + a.n ^ 2 / v ^ 2) * (v - nb) = nRT
Title: Re: pleas Thermodynamics: Consider air expansion inside a cylinder.
Post by: karol.s on March 27, 2016, 05:45:24 PM
what I have is ...

P1* V1 ^1.4 = P2* V2 ^1.4

p2 = p 1 * (1/8)^1.4

=81.614 PSI

but i don`t know how to find the work with van der waals in an adiabatic process
Title: Re: pleas jThermodynamics: Consider air expansion inside a cylinder.
Post by: Enthalpy on March 28, 2016, 03:32:30 PM
Again an inconsistent question... Because PV1.4=const needs a perfect gas that doesn't obey Van der Waal's equation, or at least, it imposes a=b=0. So one has to try to guess what you're supposed to do.

Do you know an expression for dW, the work during a small change of state, as a function of P and V?

Can you inject PV1.4=const in this, to express dW from P or V only?

Can you integrate dW as a function of P or V?

Where should you need Van der Waals?
Title: Re: pleas jThermodynamics: Consider air expansion inside a cylinder.
Post by: karol.s on March 30, 2016, 12:13:23 AM
yes it was my mistake, I have to use T(v − b)^ R/cV = constant
Title: Re: pleas jThermodynamics: Consider air expansion inside a cylinder.
Post by: Enthalpy on March 30, 2016, 09:30:52 AM
Well, once you've picked the proper formula (I doubt about the most recent one too), compute a dW as a function of P or V or T only and integrate it.

Does the question state a=0 somewhere?
Title: Re: pleas jThermodynamics: Consider air expansion inside a cylinder.
Post by: karol.s on March 31, 2016, 10:28:05 PM
No, it doesn't says anything
Title: Re: Thermodynamics: Consider air expansion inside a cylinder.
Post by: Enthalpy on April 05, 2016, 05:16:50 PM
If the equation was
T×(V-b)R/Cv=const
this sounds like an adiabatic expansion with a=0.

That is, for the adiabatic expansion of a perfect gas you'd have
TCv/R×V=const where Cv is the heat capacity at constant volume

Now, "b" in Van der Waal's equation represents an added volume. You can represent it as the volume taken by the molecules' electrons. It resembles (but differs slightly) the volume of the liquid substance. This "b" isn't usable for the free movement of the molecules. This distinguishes them from a perfect gas whose molecules are points. Consequently, "b" is subtracted from the gas' volume in VdW equation.

"a" represents the attraction (usually) between the molecules.

If "a" is neglected, then the imperfect gas behaves like a perfect one where you just add a chunk of iron "b" in the volume. Simply replacing V by V-b everywhere, the gas behaves as a perfect one whose molecules have no volume. That's why you get
T×(V-b)R/Cv=const

I strongly suppose that a≠0 would not give that equation (but I won't check it, too long). Hence my question whether "a" is explicitly neglected. By the way, this would be reasonable in many technological situations like a hydraulic accumulator, where nitrogen's temperature exceeds clearly the critical point.

Now, supposing that a=0 if this is necessary, can you calculate the work? Same adiabatic expansion as a perfect gas, but with a chunk of iron "b" in the volume.

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By the way, these two are your allies for the adiabatic expansion of a perfect gas:
TCv/R×V=const
T-Cp/R×P=const
because

The previous 1.4 stands for a diatomic gas like nitrogen, oxygen and by extension air. 1.40 is even nicely accurate under usual conditions, useful to have in mind. According to the list: