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Title: pH question
Post by: yangyangg on May 15, 2006, 08:56:45 AM
I do not understand the following problem. Can anyone help me to solve it?


Which of the following solutions when mixed with 50mL of 1.0M hydrochloric acid would NOT result in a change in pH?

A. 50mL of 1.0M sodium chloride solution

B. 50mL of 1.0M ethanoic acid

C. 50mL of 1.0M nitric acid

D. 50mL of 1.0M sulphuric acid

Title: Re: pH question
Post by: Albert on May 15, 2006, 09:02:23 AM
What do you think will happen to thenumber of protons, if you add another strong acid?
Title: Re: pH question
Post by: yangyangg on May 15, 2006, 09:03:16 AM
It increases??
Title: Re: pH question
Post by: Albert on May 15, 2006, 09:04:53 AM
Yes, indeed. So, what about the pH?  ;)
Title: Re: pH question
Post by: yangyangg on May 15, 2006, 09:05:50 AM
the pH will drop??
Title: Re: pH question
Post by: Albert on May 15, 2006, 09:08:30 AM
Yes! So, what's the correct answer? :D
Title: Re: pH question
Post by: yangyangg on May 15, 2006, 09:10:34 AM
Is it option A?
Title: Re: pH question
Post by: Albert on May 15, 2006, 09:14:26 AM
Yes, it is. :)
Title: Re: pH question
Post by: yangyangg on May 15, 2006, 09:16:24 AM
Thanks!!
Title: Re: pH question
Post by: Borek on May 15, 2006, 09:18:12 AM
Think it over - question is tricky!
Title: Re: pH question
Post by: AWK on May 15, 2006, 09:20:31 AM
No! - pH do not change when you mix equal volumes of two strong monoprotic acids of the same concentration. - other option
Title: Re: pH question
Post by: yangyangg on May 15, 2006, 09:21:26 AM
But how the pH will change if a neutral solution is added?
Title: Re: pH question
Post by: AWK on May 15, 2006, 09:23:12 AM
But how the pH will change if a neutral solution is added?
Think about dilution of acid
Title: Re: pH question
Post by: yangyangg on May 15, 2006, 09:26:07 AM
But ethanoic acid is not a strong acid, I think??
Title: Re: pH question
Post by: AWK on May 15, 2006, 09:27:58 AM
But ethanoic acid is not a strong acid, I think??
It is a weak one
Title: Re: pH question
Post by: yangyangg on May 15, 2006, 09:28:50 AM
But you said other options are strong acids??
Title: Re: pH question
Post by: AWK on May 15, 2006, 09:31:02 AM
You stll have two options: c and d
Title: Re: pH question
Post by: yangyangg on May 15, 2006, 09:33:43 AM
Why pH would not change when strong acids are added?
Title: Re: pH question
Post by: AWK on May 15, 2006, 09:35:41 AM
It depends on volumes and concentrations of both solutions
Title: Re: pH question
Post by: Albert on May 15, 2006, 12:52:47 PM
:-[ :-[

When I came back from the University I constantly thought about this question and I realized I had completely missed the whole point.
That's what you get doing things while you're tired and in a hurry. :P

 :-[

Luckily, you can always rely on the Poles.  :)
Title: Re: pH question
Post by: bodegas on May 15, 2006, 01:16:27 PM
I'm thinking that this is one of those high school questions that has no correct answer... :-\
the dissolution of an acid would change the pH but wouldn't it be just marginally (because of the logarithmic scale of the pH)? Wouldn't any other strong acid in the conditions presented change the pH of the solution, even if marginally also? HNO3 donates one proton to solution but its pKa is different from that of hydrochloric acid. Wouldn't you say that the only true answer would be to add 50 mL of hydrochloric acid at C=1,0 M?
Title: Re: pH question
Post by: Borek on May 15, 2006, 02:12:43 PM
I'm thinking that this is one of those high school questions that has no correct answer... :-\

Exactly, I just refrained myself from commenting on the lack of correct answer as at the time I have posted much simpler mistakes were in action ;) Getting into such details if the OP is in HS doesn't make much sense BEFORE expected answer is found :)
Title: Re: pH question
Post by: AWK on May 16, 2006, 01:30:50 AM
Question suggests answer with two significant digits!
Title: Re: pH question
Post by: mike on May 16, 2006, 01:47:40 AM
This is the simple solution:

A. 50mL of 1.0M sodium chloride solution
False: This would dilute the acid by half so the pH would change.

B. 50mL of 1.0M ethanoic acid
False: weak acid so would change pH

C. 50mL of 1.0M nitric acid
True: pH for 50mL of 1.0M acid will be the same as solution of 100mL of 1.0M acid as concentration is the same.

D. 50mL of 1.0M sulphuric acid
False: Sulphuric acid is diprotic so would make the solution more acidic

Am I right?
Title: Re: pH question
Post by: Borek on May 16, 2006, 02:52:49 AM
Am I right?

That's probably expected reasoning, although nitric acid is the weakest of the strong so in concentrated solutions (like 1M) its pH is lower than that of HCl.

However, with AWK remark about significant digits C IS the correct answer, as the pH change will be in the several hundreths range.