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Title: Electronegativities/activity of polyatomic ions
Post by: budullewraagh on August 13, 2004, 12:15:28 PM
can anybody here tell me the electronegativities/electropositivities of polyatomic and monoatomic ions? is there an activity series?
Title: Re:Electronegativities/activity of polyatomic ions
Post by: Demotivator on August 16, 2004, 09:12:31 AM
By definition, electronegativities are limited to atoms to account for bond behavior between atoms.
Title: Re:Electronegativities/activity of polyatomic ions
Post by: budullewraagh on August 17, 2004, 12:15:15 AM
right, and bonding applies to polyatomic ions.  you know what i'm talking about. :-\
Title: Re:Electronegativities/activity of polyatomic ions
Post by: Mitch on August 17, 2004, 02:13:09 AM
Not applicable. I think you may be misunderstanding reactivity of an ion versus electronegativity of a bond. Electronegativity is actually a nifty topic and I may address it in a future article.
Title: Re:Electronegativities/activity of polyatomic ions
Post by: budullewraagh on August 17, 2004, 10:17:16 AM
you know, i did mention "activity".  got any responses for activity?
Title: Re:Electronegativities/activity of polyatomic ions
Post by: Demotivator on August 17, 2004, 10:38:58 AM
Are you familiar with the electromotive potential series for ions for oxidation reduction reactions?
Title: Re:Electronegativities/activity of polyatomic ions
Post by: budullewraagh on August 17, 2004, 10:48:12 AM
very much so.  however, i do not know how this works with polyatomics.
Title: Re:Electronegativities/activity of polyatomic ions
Post by: Demotivator on August 17, 2004, 11:04:46 AM
Well, it doesn't work if the aim of your question is bonding. But  for polyatomics  it's a measure of the ability of the element in a polyatomic to reduce, for eg.
NO3- + 4H+ +  3e- ---> NO + 2H2O  E=+.96 (nitrogen reduction)
MnO4- + 8H+  + 5e- ---> Mn2+  + 4H2O  E=+1.49 (Manganese reduction)
Title: Re:Electronegativities/activity of polyatomic ions
Post by: budullewraagh on August 17, 2004, 11:36:16 AM
may i ask where you found those figures?

also, do you have an activity series?
Title: Re:Electronegativities/activity of polyatomic ions
Post by: Demotivator on August 17, 2004, 11:57:13 AM
Here
http://www.csudh.edu/oliver/chemdata/data-e.htm
or appendixes of analytical textbooks.

An Activity series doesn't come to mind, but I'll let you know if I come across one.
Title: Re:Electronegativities/activity of polyatomic ions
Post by: budullewraagh on August 17, 2004, 12:10:39 PM
many thanks